I agree. SNLs are not worth my time. Which is why I focus on FWBs. I actually prefer fucking the same girl for a while anyway, so I guess it suits my natural inclinations.

If you're seeking SNLs you have one of two problems. You're either not seeking out drunk enough chicks, or you're not good looking enough(or both). You want to bang 9s, for SNLs? You need to be at least a 7, and preferably an 8 or 9 yourself. Doing that as a 5-6 is going to mean a shit ton of work and many nights going home alone.

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I don't entirely agree with that, it's completely possible to be average looking if your social value is high enough. I'm an average looking guy, but I've held positions and done things that boosted my value and allowed for SNLs with 8s and 9s which have honestly surprised the shit out of me times. But in most cases, yes, you're right.

Well you must not be in touch with your core self. There's either something wrong with your approach or the actual women you're trying to approach.

I never have to deal with baggage with women because

A) I take no shit.. if they do try something either I downplay it, call her out on it or cut her off completely.

B) Our conversations are usually fun and she automatically knows I'm not the type of guy do deal with that BS so maybe she dumps her bullshit on some other guy.


There;s a serious problem if you aren't having some fun doing this and she probably sees right through your bullshit.

If you're not having an awesome time from simply just TALKING to women... yes just approaching her and talking to her... then you're too stuck in your own thoughts and you're relying on a PUA technique instead of being confident in yourself.

I highly recommend you stop being so focused on just fucking a girl and focus on simply having a good time with her (no im not saying you need to marry her... but damn) When you're focused on the moment then the sex will come as an outcome.

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Saying AFC is AFC. You don't need code words to communicate your own superiority to people. Its childish and stupid. And it draws away from any rational thought on the matter when you tropify human behavior. I'm not new to this, i've been around pickup long enough to know 90% of the people on a forum like this are just trying to brag and wouldn't know how to touch a woman if they got one. I'm really not down with all the systems, acronyms, and pseudoscience garbage. I'm just looking for a good time. Thats why i came here, and absolutely none of the bullshit they say on these forums had any positive effect on it, in fact it was pretty much the opposite. What did help was meeting the kinds of girls who i can speak freely about sex with, and picking up the kinds of things i can do to facilitate discussion and flirtation without stepping on a minefield of insecurities and wrong assumptions. And thats what it is, no matter who here tries to deny it in the name of positivity--you know all that positivity crap is garbage. No one comes here without getting bit by the flame at least once, no one LIVES without being bit by the flame at least once. And yeah, girls expect you to be positive and put up a front no matter what you've been through, and they hide behind their own fraudulent positivity like its a shield against your penis. Like their pussy is something to defend. And i'm sick of fighting a war i never signed up for. I'm sick of putting my own masculinity, my happiness, and my hard work and effort on the line for a girl who wouldn't do any of the same. The chase is demeaning. I don't even LIKE most of the girls, and i don't care enough to lie to them to get into their pants. I have better things to do with my life then piss away my affections.

Whats REALLY some crap though, is that even you are buying into the whole feminist propaganda like you need a woman. Like its somehow immasculating if you can't be sexually self sufficient. I'll let a girl have sex with me when she doesn't expect anything in return. And if that day never comes, then fuck you, i don't give a shit. I'm done with this bullshit.

Start posting on rsdnation and watching the material. If you were to breakdown what is being said, it is essentially, PU = #game which translates to spam cold approach. Talk to everyone. Make new friends, meditate, read, have a life outside PU obsession, and be cool. Yes, PU is a lot of work but, being a piece of shit takes no work and women own that title more times then not. Most gorgeous women are ectomorphs like Kate Beckinsale. Men would eat the corns out of her pop if it meant getting them sugar walls. Kate has round the clock 24 7 nutritionists, diet plan, workout routine, and incredible dedication to the lifestyle. Majority of women are pieces of shit, entitled, bratty, lacking quality, and why not? No matter what fuck up she is in life, some man will foot the bills or be court ordered to foot the bills even in situations of infidelity. It does not matter if she is a whore or a prostitute pimping herself out because, some man will practice being a phaggot and marry her. KK for example.


Myself and V have a different opinion of PU. I agree with rsd in that, it is a numbers game however, PU is not the most efficient system out there. If i were completely honest, for the amount of dedication men put towards this, I see very few men like Julien Blanc in PU. There was rsd JMLUV who racked up 200 + kills raging the forums with female hottie nudes and according to e standards, the guy was a 4 pulling 8s with consistency. He was also Tyler assistant for some period of time. There was rsd Ambiguity who was clearly a internet troll but pulled a fair bit and posted troll pics of him and women he hooked up with. There was rsd distantlight who was another guy who posted lifestyle videos of him hooking up with women. Cyrax was another. Chinaboy was Alexander asisstant who was pretty damn good who was formerly socially awkward gone player. These are the anomaly forum users.

Alternatively, you have internet trolls like Zyzz and Yaboydave who just hooked up with women. yes, PU is the more time consuming active dating role but, it beats the passive dating role hands down. Use tinder or okcupid but, do not let it be a crutch. My suggestion would be to travel and start dating more women who are foreign and not practicing feminist jargon as is the case in Western Society. To OP, you either get girls or you do not. It is gay not getting girls so, you pretty much got to bite the bullet. I had pulled girls back to back nights during the holidays. You meet these clowns wanting gang bangs while doing toilet cocaine, women wanting children because their friends are having kids, and other craziness.

Something to think about, if you can get competent with Pu, pull frequently or fairly often, hookup, meet lots of women, have options, you will have made it worth it. If you stop, it simply was not worth the pain period to overcome your challenges in life. There is always a divorce to wait when a woman hits the wall, her looks fade and now, she wants a beta male mangina to foot the bills of her bad lifestyle choices. The alternative is bleak to say the least. Plow man. You wont regret it. Once a woman hits the wall, she is fucked, and settles for some pussy. You can have choice but, it is not without challenges too.

I knew Joe would get a kick out of this guy.

Mr Feel good. If you want to get laid without any work then hire a prostitute. If you want to get laid with minimal work. Go around forcing IOIs with simple looks, and then just have fun. You will be blown out still, and flaked on but the percentages will be higher.

If you want to get about 99% of the girls. Then go about forcing the IOIs and learn calibration, and do the dance man. No way around that one.

Now, the easiest way requires up front work, but then...NOTHING!

I have a word document Bruce Leed from 4 different online dating programs. I spent about 48 hours without sleeping going through the programs and testing and refining everything until I had a nice little monster full of copy and paste messages that got numbers automatically. I then learned the 43 text program gambler teaches to handle the numbers over into dates.

Combining these two things. I go into my word document and copy and paste the proven messages (girls can't tell they are copy and paste btw, it's a trick learned from one of the online dating programs). I send the messages out to the most attractive, then follow up with more copy paste responses to their responses. Get the number (or set up the date and get the number depending how good to go she is). Then follow up using the 43 text system to set up the date. 1 in 3 girls agree and show up without any issues. The other 2 I have a follow up process learned from 43 texts that can at least get 1 of them. The last one is usually a lost cause and gets deleted out of my phone. I LOVE getting text messages from random deleted women, and responding with..."Who is this?"

When she is on the date with you all of that upfront land mine avoiding game goes out the window. You just have to be cool and have a good time.

0 effort involved with this my man. It's all automatic. I can get at least 1 number a day from the internet, and the women are always attractive to me. Some days I've gotten as many as 10.

This does not make me good with daygame/night game. It does allow me to get laid anytime I feel like it with no effort involved.

I won't give you my word document. I will tell you the programs that I combined and tested to form my word document.

David D meeting women online, gentleman's guide to online dating, get women on demand, David M's Insider Internet Dating.

You can go through those and figure out a system that works for you. You may create something better than what I did.

The Order I went through the programs:

1. Meeting Women Online - test and refine
2. David M's Insider Internet Dating - test and refine
3. Gentleman's guide to online dating - test and refine
4. Get women on demand - test and refine.

I also know pandora's box and further separated the messages into each woman psychology and customized them to fit her psychology. But this isn't a necessary step. I just like to optimize and improve stuff.

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This is great for traveling also. I had 4 women set up when I took a trip to new york before I even landed in the city. I started the messaging process the day before my flight. I sent out 200, and set up dates with the ones who responded. If you choose to do this send out the messages a week or two in advanced and you will have many more dates set up. When I got to the city I didn't check my account again, and many women responded a couple days or a week or 2 after I sent out the initial messages.

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The problem with forums is similar to what we see in society; some guy with an opinion despite nothing at stake and everything to gain. Here we have little tangents from a user who by his own posts stated not leaving the house this year. We see a similar thing in the financial district where people have everything to gain through wall street manipulation of stocks or corruption of the banking system. If all else fails, the banks go under, wall street and banker gets paid, and citizens lose everything. We see this with politicians making outrageous comments, theory of what the problem in society is, and no matter what happens, he gets paid. We see this in the government where healthcare or educate is in ruins due to cut backs meanwhile, those within government have private education for their children again with absolutely nothing to lose. If you go out, you can speak of what has worked and what has not worked. What most forums tend to have is a fluctuation of flame wars and virgin posts from guys who do not even approach but, lets listen to their opinion from their mothers basement.

Yeah I live in my mothers basement and lie about everything to entertain myself on a forum full of a bunch of people who have weird antisocial tendencies and narcissistic personalities. Not to mention the sociopaths, I love those guys!

I'm here to help the new guys.

The behaviors I find on this forum are hilarious. As I tell the truth people can't possibly believe that a person lives like this. Thus the jealousy and the made up stories they pull out of their asses about me. Luckly in my first few posts in my field report I detail clearly how much other peoples' opinions mean to me. Even before I started posting around the forum I talked about jealously. My first post to neo was about jealousy, btw neo I understand what you were talking about that day. I apologize for lumping you into the same category as these jealous guys.

I didn't know what Julien was about back then. I was more on upping the PUA vs everyone else regardless of how he acted. Then I interacted with the guys on this forum and discovered not every PUA is an evolved man. In fact, they devolve and take it back to the caveman days.

Let me see... Da, Joe, and whats that guys name? Hound or some shit. DJ_Z, hmm who else... That's about it actually. These are my haters at the moment that I know of.

The reason why this is relevant to the topic is because OP describes being tired of all the BS that comes with being in the game. Part of the hard work is self improvement. When you start improving and let others know about it hatred and jealousy happens. OP make sure to add that to the list. The haters keep coming from all angles.

I experience this on the forum and in real life. No way around it but to just feed of their negative energy and use it as a sign post that you are on the right track.

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Exercise some empathy as you do not seem to understand the plight of the woman.

They are born and dead by the acceptance from their family, social circles, and their society. And the most important factor? . . . their fucking physical appearance. You know you want to fuck hot chicks over ugly chicks so your demographic is easy. Parents treat their daughters differently depending on their physical appearance. Regardless of that political correct shit that they spew. "I love all my daughters, blah, blah, blah. . ." Really? Who gets the most attention? The smart one? You ever see a 'successful' ugly real estate agent? Take a look at all the girls that work at Fox News. . . these chicks probably could have gone head to head against Victoria models when they were 19. . .

Don't you think women know all of this?. . . that whether men tell them that they are "smart, hired, respected, loved, revered," . . . that it's all about their ass? All the make up. . . all the outfits. . .all the insecurities. . . Those retarded a-holes in the presidential cabinet referred to Dr. Rice as "Condy" for God's sake.

Forget the lines. Figure ^this out.

I love Kasabi's posts, are you and DA like alter ego's, or are you 2 different people? ^this is a great post as to why the dance has to be respected. It's a mating dance. There are mating dances in nature for a reason.

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I enter low level consciousness funks at times and I will go on a rant supported by personal experience and situations I have observed.

The problem is that, women are more entitled now a days then ever in history, are slooting it up, cashing in on their best years with the top elite males who will not commit to them, are watching the kardashians, embellishing their behavior, not developing into a quality human being nor adding value to society, to those they know or in their own life. Why not? Since no matter how much she fucks up, there is child and spousal support, court ordered nonsense despite cases of infidelity, prenup or dna proving children are not yours, social assistance among a variety of programs that pan handle to female victimizing themselves.

PU is a social fucking minefield but, the thing is that, "first they do it to you, then you do it to yourself," -EH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFYEQRnQew

They (society, people, women, government, tv, media, etc) does it us then we do it to ourselves. The shift needs to be on what we do, our choices, our decision making, and really owning up to the power we have. Its us that is in control. We control our lives. We need to choose better women. We need to ween away from female entitlement and be all the more selective with quality women who are not brain washed by society. If there are red pill men, there must be red pill women who have woken up to the corruption in society.

If you cannot handle it, log out, and move on with your life or pursue and become a stronger version of yourself. If by plight, you mean female privilege, entitlement, living in blissful ignorance, and entering middle age with the maturity of a child, you maybe right. The problem with society is that women are brain washed by feminism, "you cannot say/do that" and we got men buying into that crap. be empathetic. Do no judge her for being a whore, slut, hoe, and when she hits the wall (looks fade, weight increases, ages poorly due to poor lifestyle choices) marry her. This seems to be the unwritten social narrative that men are taught through courtship, traditionalism, and gynocentrism. When the veil comes off, when you lose the blinders, the harsh reality comes pouring in that 10% of men are sleeping with 90% of the females. More importantly, men going through their life taking the scraps from under the table are the beta male manginas and white knights who have a messy divorce awaiting them after a life time of being kicked around by women like trash.

So, I am suppose to be sympathetic to her cause or Anitta S. being greeted or complimented during her cat call video before declaring it harassment at the end? This is ridiculous. You can find a link I posted in sexodus where a woman who had once ranted against men being men and approach or showing interest had hit the wall and the male attention disappeared forever. The problem is that as things stand, the way of women is not to become a quality human being, a valuable member of society, and mother. Instead, it is to become a disgusting human being and why not? "I don't need a man" until she sees her friends are married, engaged or having kids, and since she hit the wall, her looks have failed her as did her ego. Instead of developing into a quality human being, she went on a cum dumpster tyrant and now she wants to sucker a man into marriage. This is the common Western woman in the world today. For the countless hours of time or years dedicated to PU or time spent dating, what is the conversion rate of quality human beings and experiences? I can count the amount of wonderful women I have met and even with spamming cold approach, I can assure you that quality is on the down side.
I think most women today are uneducated watching smut like fifty shades, sex and the city, running around sloot gonna sloot but, all her stupid movies or tv shows end with a wedding ring, a white dress (more lies and deceit to promote the good girl horse shit), and the credit rolls because everyone knows after marriage we live happily ever after farting pixxie dust and dancing on fucking rainbows.
Not sure what your point is? She can go through her life being a disposable and disgusting human being yet will be handed everything without effort, cause or motivation on her part. So, we got women who are disposable running through their best years with d bags, assholes, sociopaths, and psychos. Once her time is up and she has hit the wall, guess what time it is?

Marriage, children, white dresses, wedding rings, and white picket fence time.
If anything, PU removes the veil of madness, and shows you the shit sandwich waiting for men if they do not handle this area of their life.

That's one way to perceive it... mine is another.

The behavior and attitude that manifests from one type of perecption towards women tends to attract them and create some harmony. The behavior and attitude that manifests from the other type of perception tends to repel them. It's a choice.

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Nicely said. I have heard the law of attraction and the secret before. I think there is merit to it but, i think summing it up as EL did, "like attracts like" is true and yet, paradoxical in that it is a understatement and a complete and utter attempt to breakdown something so much more complex. I agree as I stated with OP. It is a choice and yes, some women really are disgusting human beings that should not even be indulged in any shape or form. The power is in choice as you stated. Again, nicely stated.
I agree however, many people are in fact "practicing" PU rather than actually doing PU. 007 is in the process but, the process feeds female entitlement and privilege. It plays into courtship, traditionalism, and gynocentrism which brings out some of the worst qualities in women. It feeds into the collective female ego that reads, "I can be a walking cum dumpster and some schmuck will marry me, provide me sperm for children purposes, and men are a utility to financial freedom." While many women do not verbalize the above, they do so in their actions, and disregard for their own health or safety. It would seem, only hitting the wall weens out this behavior. Unfortunately, it is too little too late by then.