Without playing games can you have a "healthy" relatioship with a girlfriend?

It seems EVERY time I stop playing game for instance giving them too much attention as if we are best friends and hanging out alot rather than ignoring and avoiding texts/calls and not really caring my girlfriends have broken up with me.

So how do you maintain a healthy relationship with a girlfriend? Is it still just gaming a girl? AND if that's the case there should be no monogamy because what's the point? She isnt' really there for you, she's there because you played the game well

thoughts?

No, you can't.

Congrats, you've just discovered why PU doesn't work for establishing healthy relationships with women.

its the one of the highest value who is in control of the relationship. if you make yourself the one of the highest value she will chase after you and naturally you will begin to loose interest. so no. i guess pickup can't be used to have a healthy relationship. at least what I've studied.

You've answered your own question dickhead. You played your stupid, childish mind games and they fucking dumped you. No girl on the planet wants a guy who is nice one minute then ignores them the next. Or is friendly for a while and then suddenly cold and distant. Who the bloody fuck wants to put up with that crap? You guys on here are like premenstrual women. Blowing fucking hot and cold all the damn time. Christ you are all so fucking hopeless with girls that it is almost laughable. All this alpha crap and show her who's boss is NOT WORKING. Why can't you bozos see that? Treat her as your equal and she will be putty in your hands. Treat her the way you want to be treated. WITH RESPECT. Not like something you want to hurt and punish in an effort to keep it.

How the holy fuck do you expect that to work? Girls are humans. Just like you. Would you want her being nice to you and then suddenly being a right bitch? No. Ffs get a clue and stop reading all this PUA shit.

These girls are bored to fucking death with all your childish carry on and can see right through it. They talk to their girlfriends and say the same thing ie he's doing that fucking infuriating push-pull crap again. They are all laughing at how truly pathetic you are. If you really feel they need to be kept in line then you have a lot of fucking issues and need psychiatric help. No one deserves to be treated like that. Get a fucking clue.

Fuck Her Well = Healthy Relationship

If you fuck girls well, they'll try their best to keep the relationship going. As Hunter_Foxe said, (when it comes to relationships) women think with their clitorises; NOT their brains.

The human female clitoris has +8,000 nerve endings compared with the ENTIRE human male penis' +4,000. And most of those nerve endings are right under the g-spot bro.

8,000 is NOT = 4,000

You can stop playing those tiring and draining female mind games if you can game women's pussies well ALL the time. Just be consciously aware of gender differences, perform your gender role well as a man, and bang women good. If you did those consistently, women will try their best to keep their relationship with you instead of you working so hard to keep your relationships with women.

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HAHHAHA! you're such a loser you come on forums to troll and complain as if you're life is better. I didn't answer my own question because if you READ it instead of being PREJUDICE and pre judging what I would write as a PUA in your mind you would have read once I STOP doing game girls lose interest. NOT the other way around that I would do game and they lose interest IDIOT. LOL your funny, I feel sorry for EVERYONE in your life since you're prejudice and as a result probably RACIST

i could see where u get the idea. after awhile girls will figure out that your trying to manipulate them. if they leave, or do something to get you to chase them that will be obvious. i trust your not trying to be mean, because you posted a message in attempt to help the op.

I agree, but one caveat with that...

You can still "fuck a woman good" but if she gets bored of you in or out of bed, guess what? She'll leave you and go fuck someone else..while you're in a relationship. I've been there before, and I've been the other guy before. It sucks.

I remember hooking up with a girl who I found out after the fact was in a 8+ year relationship with a guy who was well built, treated her well (taking her on overseas trips, making sure she was taken care of, etc.)
,and had a good job. Yet she cheated on him with me...my guess is because he wasn't around during the weekdays when he was away working. I was floored.

I think (i'm still learning because I got a thread of my own going on this sub-forum), you need to still be the guy that she first fucked. Ask yourself: "If she met me today, would she fuck me? Would she date me?" If the answer is yes, you're doing well, if not, keep working.

Good day brother

Your question is an interesting one. Short answer, yes, without playing games, you can have a healthy relationship with women.

The reason the women in your life are not sticking around is because you are not living your passion.

The masculine energy is one of purpose, the feminine energy is of devotion and care.

Look at a relationship cycle amongst you or people you know: Guy his the gym, guy has a life, guy goes on adventures and is doing something interesting, guy meets girl. Guy dates girl, guy stops working out, starts skipping nights with the boys to watch Sex and the City with his girlfriend. Guy stops having a life outside of her. Guy makes girl his entire purpose. Girl is fighting more and more, guy cant figure out why and tries to devote himself more to the relationship. Girl gets fed up and either cheats or leaves.

Don't blame the woman in this, most guys are immature and will think women are crazy but it's not the case. You see, guys nowadays are not men, but overgrown boys. They lack purpose and direction and expect the women in their lives to love them unconditionally - basically they want mothers.

Women, when stuck with this kind of man, eventually finds herself taking on the masculine role and is unable to unleash her feminine energy. That's when you find a woman try to "find herself". It's common, but it's caused by an overgrown immature man-child who suppressed her feminine and essentially forced her to take on the role of the masculine.

So to answer your question again, yes, you can have a healthy relationship if you are a mature man. A mature man has passions that rule his life, not his woman. A mature man is striving - constantly and relentlessly - to make something of himself, to leave behind his gift to humanity. A masculine man is totally absorbed in his purpose, in his task, in his mission. His woman is a welcome addition, she can come if she behaves, but she is not his purpose and nothing she can say or do will distract him from that.

Once she feels your inner core, unshakable and strong, she will allow her feminine to flow. She will be a good woman to you because she trusts that you are a good man for you, her, and the potential children you might one day have together.

Small men play games... Hold yourself to a higher standard.

With love and respect
Mack

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Most of the logical masculine guys around here give advices based on the best odds for success especially for dudes in the relationship section who fucked up big time. There isn't a 100% sureball solution. We want dudes with problems to take action based on the best odds instead of letting them wallow in paralysis through over analysis over too many options with negligible odds for success.

Your odds for success though for an emotionally and psychologically satisfying relationship is higher with good sex compared with guys who suck in bed. That's an established scientific fact with substantial empirical evidences from reputable researches.

Many of the emotional feminine guys around here though want to focus on the exceptions. This is not exactly bad as dudes who want to see the pros and cons in an argument get to see all angles to be able to make an informed decision.

Rule of thumb though is that the logical masculine guys with woman problems gravitate naturally towards the logical masculine guys who give out advices. On the other hand, the emotional feminine guys who have woman problems tend to like best the emotional feminine guys who give out advices.

Some dudes who give out advices tend to get pissed off with OPs who take the advices from guys whom they are naturally comfortable with.

If the OP takes an advice among many, we as guys who give out advices that the OP may not take advice from should move forward and move on and consider the OP's decision a result of team effort no matter how bad we think the advice the OP got.

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Absolutely. I don't disagree with you for one second with what you're saying re: sex. If the sex is good, women will want to stay with you because:

1. Women love sex more than guys do.
2. It's difficult to find a good, compatible sex partner

All I am pointing out is there are more variables that you have to consider than just fucking her good. I dated a girl who was in a LTR with a guy for 3 years right before me. She left him. Why? Because she was bored of him and that the relationship was just sex. Obviously there's a bit more to it than that, all I'm doing is giving another POV. Kinda like to the "team" analogy you alluded to earlier.

Side note: One thing I have noticed is that if there's lots of sex happening, guys assume all is good. When the sex dries up, that's when the problems in the relationship begin to stick out like a sore thumb. It's not a good mindset to be in. Been there, done that, got a breakup because of it lol.

So you're essentially providing an alternative based on a sample size of one versus established scientific empirical evidences based on a cumulative sample size of several hundred couples; not including my personal experiences.

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You are misreading what I am saying. I am not providing any direct alternative at all, I'm just saying there's more to it than sexual satisfaction.

First of all there are two issues with your argument. We are providing something based on a different point of view which are our own personal experiences, so that point negates each other. Also, yes, while scientific studies show that couples are generally satisfied when they are having satisfying sex (which doesn't need a study to figure out), I am willing to bet that of those couples who aren't sexually satisfied, why is that? What are the issues? Does the study talk about it? Solutions? You can't just quote a number from any scientific study, you have to find out why and how they arrived at that number and interpret it for yourself.

From what I learned, read, and picked up on...and personal experiences, many guys in LTRs/marriages will assume all is OK if the sex is good or even if they're getting regular sex. Yes, sexual satisfaction is important to relationships, but there are other variables to consider. Sure women can be sexually satisfied according to them, but many guys tend to gloss over or mask any relationship issues (typically those outside the bedroom) because as long as she is good looking and he is getting regular sex from her, what's there to worry about? All you need to do is look at the posts on the/any relationship forum where the guys are like "Yes, her past is chequered, yea things aren't perfect. But, I am getting regular sex and she's different/she's so special..we'll turn out fine"

The problem is, eventually those relationship issues that are outside the bedroom become an issue inside the bedroom. Usually issues in bed in a relationship are symptom of a larger issue in the relationship. A lot of my buddies are married/in relationships and it doesn't take a genius to tell that quite a few of them aren't happy in their marriage for different reasons, and of course they start talking about why their wife isn't blowing them or even fucking them anymore because she's not in the mood...in spite of the fact that I know guys who run the household from A to Z, are the only one working, only one taking the dogs out for their walk, etc.

I made that mistake myself. I thought the sex was good (not mind-blowing, but good), and I didn't care about any of the issues I had with her inside or outside tehe bedroom because I was getting laid enough. Sadly, for myself, and many other men out there...once the sex tap turns off, do they really realize there are issues in the relationship and their partner. 9 times out of 10, by the time they discover what the issues are, it's too late, and chances are she's either cheating on you, or planning her escape route.

I have MORE purpose than most men will ever have in many lifetimes. I make music with several people, write scripts, books, do workout and haven't stopped because of her, and on and on. I haven't gotten alot of success or money from those things although I KNOW from several real sources my stuff is great, sometimes it's just the odds against you and things don't work out. So it isn't the purpose thing.

I think it comes down to being somewhat needy and clingy even though I was aware of this and hardly talked to her via phone, maybe 1 time a week. We did text pretty much daily which was a mistake, and the worst things I did was always pay when we went out to eat and bought her alot for Christmas and did alot of cool dates like helicopter ride, etc though we'd only been dating 6 months. I think all added up it made me lose her.

I guess I was thinking she was like my best friend and we could go out and explore the world together, I didn't mind paying, and I thought at that point what we had was unconditional. BUT another lesson learned love is NOT unconditional with most relationships especially women even if you're doing everything like a real couple and are in a relationship

Also I make her come multiple times. SEX IS NOT THE REASON WHY. In fact you can ask MOST girls what are some things that make a guy clingy and 1 is making everything about sex, which is what you are doing