Ugly dude here listing my 50 girls experience as an ugly dude. FYI, I am confirmed ugly, there is zero speculation as it's been repeatedly told to me over the years.

The following are results from obeying all rules of the game. Well dressed, good sense of style, and sense of status (I'm a photographer so people are very open to me approaching them).

Every encounter falls into 4 failure scenarios.

Girls #1-13: I see a woman I find attractive at an event and approach her saying I'd like to photograph her in a fun pose. Very low pressure/fun, maintaining full eye contact. They all smile for the photo and immediately walk away as I'm trying to talk to them again. Most just look immediately at their phones after and never look at me again for the rest of the night. Slight/veiled look of disgust on their face but the lowest of all 4 scenarios.

Girls #14-20: On the subway/public transport/open area and dressed my best. This is during the day time. I make eye contact with a woman only to have them immediately look away and never look back again. No acknowledgement, reciprocation, and a clearly visible look of disgust on their face. Decide to do a new approach and actually go by a woman instead, they look right at me and immediately shift their body away or move further up the platform.

Girls #20-30: Same as above only difference is doing it at night. Drunk women will talk to me for a few moments only to go off to other men. Look of disgust is not as obvious here but still very much there. It is instead replaced with a look of pity.

Girls #40-50: This is a general rejection upon first sight. Even when approaching with a light anecdote or observation to start a conversation, they simply respond coldly and refuse to talk further. Any responses henceforth are equally dismissive or non-existent. EXTREME anger and resentment towards me for approaching them, almost fury. Look of disgust is strongest in these situations above all others.

Had these just been isolated incidents, one could chalk to up to chance. But this is a consistent pattern that repeats 100% of the time.

TL,DR

Yes, it is possible to be TOO ugly to get women, that isn't a myth.

I'm living proof.

Change your attitude and some of them girls might like you.

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

Nope. Each of these scenarios all had a different vibe and attitude to them.

Didn't matter, results were exactly the same.

I would lower your standards. At least initially.

What is the quality of girls you're going for here? A sad truth is that you simply can't get a 9 if you're a 2, barring some weird freakish fetish or one-in-a-million chance. Game within your means - at least until you know you can do it...

I am not saying settle.

Game some 4s or 5s.

Get some confidence from them, and move up.

I agree with Mr. Finley.
I really feel for you man. May I ask how old you are? I mean for how many years since puberty did you have to endure all this rejection? How do you feel about women? Are you resentful about them? Forgive me for being so nosey, but I like the no-bullshit tone of your post and am always for breaking up some of the pickup-myths that circulate in the community. That looks don´t matter is one of these myths.

Looks matter. Not sure why this still surprises people.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

Op I could give you some advice. Status trumps looks if you are dealing with non celebrity women. You are using game that relies on looks based attraction. "Eye contact humor blah blah" Listen most of what is taught in the community has limits built into it. You can tell by just looking at the lives of the teachers, since the limits are the teacher's philosophies. There are things that are taught in the community that does not have looks built into it.

Status, you're a photographer right? Then use it stop trying to game the girls or build attraction or whatever the heck you are doing. BTW why do you call yourself ugly? Are you Fat? - Fixable

Anyway, befriend the women. Do you know how to make friends? Good looking models will befriend you if you can provide them with resources and connections. In my book "Work From Home Now" I have a chapter dedicated to using linked in to form connections. If you have trouble getting connections in the industry send me a PM and I will tell you about it.

Do you know how to make friends? Read Dale Carnegies How to Win Friends and Influence people. Make 3-4 friends out of girls who are up and coming models. Check out http://www.modelmayhem.com/ and link up with the girls trying to build their portfolios. After you take down a few of their numbers so you can get back in touch with them to do more photos invite them out to an event together with you. Now you are surrounded by 4-5 models who are just cool with you and enjoy your company. This will allow you to game outside your look level when the other women see you. They will want to get to know you.

If you are a serial pessimist, and or depressed then nothing will work for you. No one wants to be around a loser.

-Also, your problem may have something to do with coming off weird in some way, if you are unable to do something as basic as make friends (children can do this) then just using words won't help you. There is a core level flaw in your personality that will need to be addressed.

_________________
I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Am i the only that can see that he pretty much gave up before he approached these girls? - It is so common. When these guys DO get rejected as expected - it's like, ' there ya go! I have no chance with women just as I thought, i don't have to push my comfort zones now, let's go spread the word & pessimist my way to involuntary celibacy'.

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

Nope. I've seen it too by the way he wrote his posts. The self fulfilling prophecy is very evident. If you can change this OP, you'll get better results.

_________________
Approach. Open. Escalate. Isolate

Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html

I had not seen the OPs previous posts and defeatist attitude - so yes, I agree that should definitely be corrected (if for no other reason than it's not doing him any favors).

If he truly is ugly - as he says - though (and I'm talking like 1, 2 or 3 ugly) then he's going to be limited anyway. With the right style, fitness level, grooming and attitude he could game outside of his means - but like I said before, a 2 isn't getting with a 9, barring some really freaky fetish or circumstance.

Looks matter to a point.

I disagree totally. I find the guys who say looks mater run a game like this: See a girl - approach her and try to vibe or run a routine setting sexual terms for the romantic engagement off the bat.

If you're a 1, 2, 3 - then you're judged immediately on your looks and kicked to the side. This is a low value tactic and low value PUAs preach it. That's why low value PUAs have looks barriers that they can't penetrate. I'm sorry but it's a complete lie that "most guys don't approach". Most chumps don't approach, but women get approached all of the time by strangers. Including the good looking ones. The game I see running rampant on this forum is no different than the stuff the average guy does. This is why there is this "looks barrier". You don't actually have any game compared to the average dude.

That being said I am not an ugly dude, but even if I was I would figure out a path instead of listening to the masses. The masses always seem to be wrong.

_________________
I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Show me a 2, in real life -- not a celebrity or rich son of a bitch -- who's landed a 9 using pickup.

Please.

Better yet show me 2, since I did make a provision for 1 in a million.

Try ss. I tried it on my buddy once to see if it's work. And it worked.

Oh, and hey do me a favor. Get in your car, and go to walmart by yourself. Walk around in the store and tell me how many ugly guys you see with beautiful women. They're everywhere. I work at walmart I see it all the time. They are usually a dominant, alpha type of guy. I see you just joined here a few months ago. You new to pickup? Go look up some characteristics of an alpha male personality. And try to incorporate those into your personality. I think you'll see some improvement.

double post *

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS