Your post is alarming and although many posts on the internet are hoaxes they should all be taken seriously. Seriously though - if what you have just said is affecting you that much then you should go and see a professional psychologist and not rely on us unqualified people to try and solve your issues. You deserve the best then why go for 2nd rate advice from people like us who have not studied psychology - which your problems appear to be - psychological.

Pu should be a bit of fun and not to be taken too serious but it appears to me from the demeanor in your posts that this is affecting you big time so I think its time you see somebody and discuss this face to face. This is meant to be fun and not stressfull!!!!!!!!!! Work on your inner issues and then you may get success in other areas of your life.

28 and you are a puppy. I am nearly 42 with 28 years experience. I lost my virginity at 14.

Listen, inner game is so important...self confidence.

The easiest way to getting self confident is looking good.

Tanned, slim, muscular, nice clothes, good posture. Good haircut.

When you can look at yourself in the full length mirror and think "Yeah, I look goooood!"

Then you will have better inner game.

Don't try too hard and chat to girls a bit cocky without insulting them.

Make them think you are experienced.

Be a lovable rogue not an insufferable arsehole.

Be confident.

(Oh yeah, and learn to like girls as people, they will pick up on it, believe me).

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Thanks for your guys replies, I think I'll take a time out.
Even the bootcamp guy won't let me finish

Anyway I finally have a girl that seems to like me anyway and this pick-up stuff has been a major time and confidence drain.
Might as well try to have a first relationship (yeah first! is it a surprise i have no confidence?) than trying to learn stuff that will help after she dumps me.
And that would happen sooner than later if I keep getting blown out and feeling like shit around her and losing the little confidence I do have.

Maybe I'll have a better personality and more confidence after this anyway.
THis is the 4th girl that ive been out with and actually don't want to screw it up this time

This is no foundation to a relationship. This is just a comfort blanket till you sort your shit out which is unfair on the girl.

Wait till you have solved our confidence issues, get a rotation of duck buddies on the go and enjoy being single. Usually when you're pimping it like this , that is when you meet a girl that will blow your socks off and your fuck buddies dissapear until it's just you and your quality chick.

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You don't get it, in all my attempts at dating its been a long time since a girl has liked me this much. I give her so much shit and she still likes me.
Yeah she's inappropriately young, whatever. She's legal.

She's alot like me. Shy, not many friends etc.
Yeah she has been with 6 other guys already sexually and has fucked in public bathrooms, forests etc. Yes that makes me insecure but from what she's shown me she wants a different kind of guy.

My goal with pick-up was never to be a player or have the hottest girls etc. It was simply to lose my virginity.
All in all I'd rather be in a relationship with a girl I am comfortable with, can relate to, talk to for hours etc than a bombshell.

Which honestly is good, because the reality is If I did want want most guys do in pick-up it would be a very unrealistic dream - pickup itself is unrealistic until I get a voice coach, completely kill my social anxiety and develop some confidence and social skills with random women.

And the reality is you guys grew up normally, dated quite a bit, fucked quite a bit etc. So for you, you want more, the hottest girls! Dating has already bored you a long time ago. So have average looking-women. Being able to get an average looking woman is easy and boring for you.

I seem to be able to get dates off online so I'll keep using that, I seem to be the guy girls find "real" and unlike the bad boys they tired of.
I've come a long way in 6 months in my life for someone with such severe social anxiety. Before, the few times women came onto me I didn't even have the balls to make a move.

I now find girls want to meet me, yes including girls my age, so for a former permavirgin this is heaven.
Cold approaching is hard because I know nothing about the other person and they haven't approved me beforehand. Getting to know them online beforehand I have no trouble talking to them in real life.

Pick-up is for the socially savvy. And hopefully the more girls I date the better I will become in this regard.

Of course I was alot better with pick-up on oxycontin. Could meet and converse with random women with ease. Hardly a long-term solution though. Which i guess shows confidence is the main issue.

Fair enough, just do whatever makes you happy.
My goal was to become confident and solve my love life. I was in a 3 year relationship with a bombshell who didn't let me pay for anything, extremely kind and adored me. But I decided to end it because I would think about new girls and watch porn to cure my variety problem. She wanted a baby and no way is that happening so we called it quits. The reason why I am telling you this because if you fall in love with with this girl just because you wanted to lose your virginity and she makes you feel comfortable, it might bite you in the ass later down the line when you continue to improve your life and become a better man.

My advice would be, don't get into a monogamous relationship with a girl unless you see a concrete future with her. Babies, living together and growing old. Don't settle for less than you deserve.

Good luck, all the best.

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And I prob could date maybe 2 girls at once but fuck would that be a time and money killer for someone in school still.
Getting a fwb is not what I am really capable of, I can't do the whole player persona. only be the sweet relationship guy.

When I do go back to my main university however in september living in the dorms again (like i did at 27 lol except now 3rd yr) being able to hookup will be alot more important.
i never even got past the grinding/makeout stage with a pretty much self-admitted 18 yr old slut at a campus rave, so yeah maybe not pick-up directly, but the basis of its inner-game and approach at parties will be alot more important

yeah i know i'm old as fuck and living a life pretty much 10 years below me and it may be pathetic to you but keep in mind, i lost a lot of years in my life because of SA and being an antisocial shut-in.

I have one life and I want to be able to do everything I want that I missed out on instead of watching the years go by until I do look too old and can only regret.
I've changed recently not sure how or why but I like meeting new people, being social etc. And actually attempting pick-up instead of just reading/watching it like before. It took almost 28 years for this to happen.

I''ll have the rest of my life after i graduate at 30 to work and live the adult lifestyle

And tbh I still flirt with other girls online and will continue approaching around once-twice per week since I simply like hanging with my wings and it can be fun once in a while when with them.
I am not foolish like I was last year with this virgin 22 year old girl I thought I could spend the rest of my life with and then being needy, desperate, insane etc. The hopeless romantic in me is gone.

You sound very much like a defeatist, if you want hook up, you should do that, anybody can do it. If you want a relationship, then do that, but make sure it is for the right reasons.

Take a long think of what you really want from life and take incremental steps to get to those goals. Think about your perfect day. For me, it is waking up everyday with 2 beautiful women in my small, but futuristic penthouse apartment in Thailand, seeing my ripped body in the mirror. Not job to do, millions in the bank account. Travel the world, have sex with sexy girl from each country, party like Dan Bilzerian. Adrenaline junkie stuff, shooting guns, paragliding around the world, set a few world records.

Then die with a hard-on, empty bank account, baby free and a big smile on my face.

It is going to happen. love these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f347m914gY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftl9Qk0v6Lg

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Tbh I'm pretty happy right now. Even though I'm filled with anxiety at the same time.

I had a great 2nd date. This girl likes me and I like her. Infact she's the one that texts me and sets up dates so far (most of which ive made excuses not to go on because she invites me to her house).
It's an incredible feeling just holding hands and making out with her.

Now I'm kinda worried about what comes next, sex. ive been avoiding it for awhile. I just hope I'm not horrible.

So yeah. I take back all my bitching. This is kinda a dream coming true.

HOnestly I sucked messaging girls before, would bore the fuck out of them. Once I started using my actual pic - It hurt getting rejected - just as much as pickup rejection does now. I spent more time got better and better -took more risks - left my comfort zone -became more confident - yet still in essence true to myself - and now girls want to meet me. And rejection doesn't bother me too much anymore in that medium.

Probably the same as pick-up. If I keep trying I may eventually get the formula there too.

Kingoflove - you said that you are 42. How do you go with meeting girls now? Do you find it more difficult now with your age in the early 40's ? I am in my late 30;s and it is always in teh back of my mind when talking to females but I try to not let it become a handicap. I defnetelly think age plays a role but not when you are 28. To use a analogy personally it almost feels like being a good runner but attempting to run with the 100 metre dash whilst having a minor injury. I feel like its abit of roadblock - what are your thoughts ?

Dude I feel your pain. I used to be really painfully shy and couldn't even ask a girl for directions let alone a date. And I was 27 when I lost my virginity. But I decided to seek therapy which really helped a lot. I used to be really negative like you and I have to say my friend negativity is not attractive to women.

I know it hurts to see other guys doing well but you don't know their history. Look at the great PUAs who have had a lot of crazy success. You think they had natural ability? no way! They got rejected shit loads but worked at it and got better.

If you accept yourself and look at your positive qualities then what some random woman thinks about you is irrelevant. If you know yourself to be a cool, awesome person then she is losing out. You have to remember its not you they are rejecting but your approach!

Most PUA instructors aren't really experienced with teaching everyone as they have never held proper teaching jobs. They think that having competent skills in picking up women is enough to teach other guys but they don't take into account what other guys history might be. They think a one size all type of approach to coaching will be enough. And I really don't think there was any need for him to be so rude to you. A good coach should be able to tailor the teaching to individual students needs and personality.

So it sounds to me as well as keeping up the approaching, you need to work on you self esteem and confidence.

By the way I'm 37 and have had dates and lays with younger girls! I have had quite a few blowouts but they are only rejections if you allow them to be and if you don't learn from them.

yes thats right - you can;t always get what you want but if you try real hard - you'll get what you need (you need to get the lesson out of something when you try and it doesn;t succeed).

Your doing a good job. Your going out their and taking action. Their are two types of people in this world. Those who take action and those who don't . Your an action taker!Being this action taker is what is going to make you great with women. In one condition though. You got to take feedback like a champ. Your a champ my friend. If a champ tries something and does not get the results he/she wants, they analyze the situation, figure out what they did wrong, fix the problem and do better next time. Remember this popular quote. “An expert was once a beginner” All those dating experts that you look up to were once in your shoes. Worst in some situations. They did what you are doing which is taking fucking action. They made mistakes and did everything they could to learn from them. Now they are the champs they are today. (And this did not happen over night) Be patient. I mean really be patient. I recommend that for now on you take feedback like the. Yes the champ is within you and is yelling to “come out”. I promise you that champ mentality is in you. You need to take feedback the right way. You need to approach 20 girls a day at least every time you go out to meet women and commit to that. Approaching less then 10 girls each time you go out is better then 5 or nothing but your progress is moving slow. The more girls you approach the faster the process goes in succeeding. You want to pick a number that you will always stick to though. Analyze what you do right and what you don't do right and really be honest with yourself. If you don't know what you did wrong ask your wingman or wingirl to give you an HONEST feedback on how you interact with women. Avoid taking the feedback personal. This is huge! It's a skill set! And one that you have full control over.

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Tbh how do you guys even have time for this stuff?

With school and dating there really is no time
I mean shouldn't I be spending it with a girl that actually likes me instead of more failure approaches that will make me hate women even more? I mean it honestly makes me angry us men have to do so much painful shit while women have it so easy to get laid and date.

This girl has worse shyness and anxiety than me and has been with 6 guys already. if she was a man she'd be fa even more than me (if thats even possible)

There are winners and losers in this world.
I lost I'm hopelessly bitter and I give up, but before I throw in the towel of this life I want to enjoy this very small victory.

Approaching is suicidal for me and I cry like a child in a corner after a few because I am ignored EVERY time. And the times I wasn't ignored they have been horribly cruel - especially in clubs which is where mr coach said i should learn to approach first. Eventually I just went up to them and asked them to "reject me please" and "hi im a loser" and calling them bitches. I can only take such disrespect from the whores so long.

Really nothing more I can do, and not getting any better - ive never seen another newbie fail this hard even with a strong indian accent.
It's unfortunate I'm so weak but its a fact - i shouldn't have been a man in the first place and the idea of me doing pua is a huge joke. I don't even have friends.

life is for winners - keep winnning guys i'll always be amazed watching you puas go.

Such a shame bro, I feel sorry for you. At least you're being honest..

I'm not surprised you are starting to hate women.

I'm willing to bet, since you have no friends. Then perhaps you have really awkward fundamentals and simply a negative person to be around. Do you have family, maybe you can ask some family members for some brutal honestly of why you can't seem to connect with people in general.

Let me clarify, did you say you have a Indian accent ?

Feel free to PM me and SPAM me. I could probably identify some key flaws just by talking to you. Sounds like you need to take a break from it all. Therapy could help you too.

I used to have a friend that was involved in PU, but he started to hate women and became so negative. Pretty much finds an edge in everybody. "He has height, it's easy for him" , "he has big arms. It's easy for him" , even says I'm good looking and every time I tell him to cut his greasy hair or boost his style. He just won't change despite I used to look worse than him before I started to improve myself

P.s. There is time for school and dating. You can do both combined. At least you're surrounded by girls. Where at my works its a cock farm but I still manage to online date, go out,

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