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I came back home and since I was going to stay here for 3 weeks I decided to open up the house again for CS (C stands for Couch and S for surfing). I took some time to get it started, but eventually the request started pouring in. I started screening for girls. I also was willing to accept guys if I felt we had a lot or real interests in common. The first girl was a japanese girl very sweet who I later discovered through a game of Truth Telling that she was virgin (HBv). This was the end of that.
Then on new years eve I had 2 girls coming over. With one of them I had strong connection. Similar interest, obvious chemistry. And retrospectively I am now analysing why I could not close this very simple deal. Self esteem down the drain. I will spare you the details and just say that on the evening the girls met other CSers, and the topic of the day seemed to be: those creepy people who host girls just to fuck them. I have to admit I had no idea how to respond to that except thinking I now want only to host solo girls. The two f CS were young, 18 and 22 (I am over 40). I had great chemistry with HB22 while HB18 was I think more intelligent but the chemistry was just not there. If we were living in the same country she could have made a great friend. At the end of the evening I was drunk. The girls were supposed to go back to their hotel but I told them that if they wanted they could sleep in the couches or on the floor mattras. That night they slept in 4 in one room (3 girls, HBv, HB18, HB22 and 1 guy) while I was sleeping alone in the other room in a huge bed.

I just did not know how to offer to sleep in my bed without that sounding creepy/bad.

I did actually offer to HB22 to come and sleep in my bed. She answered: "what do you mean". I answered earnestly: "exactly what you are thinking in this moment". And then backed off from a very embarrassing conversation. After this there was embarassmente always when we chatted. The next day I told the two girls that I could not host them because I simply could not handle too many people at home. This seemed to raise their interest in me again, and HB22 asked if we could meet up again in the next days. I said, sure, exchanged phone numbers. And greeted her.

HBv left the city. Male guest left the city the next day. Another male guest arrived. I invited HB22 to come over for some spiritual exchanges. She answered: "yes, we come in two after sunset". So I organised a nice dinner and after we were massaging in front of the fireplace. The male guest (quite young) was massaging the hans of HB18 and was too embarassed to do anything. I was massaging the hand, and feet of HB 22. But she was putting up all sorts of blocks.

Eventually we looked at the time and it was 2am, and I went to bed, offering them to stay for the night if they were willing to share a mettrass together. They did. I have to admit the idea of them sleeping together was quite hot. Plus I wanted to give the sense that my bed (big and confy) was available.

Every day they would go out in the morning and come back in the evening.
This time HB22 sent me a text message asking to come back to sleep during the afternoon, as she was knacked and the hotel was far away. I took that as an IOI but I also took it too late plus I was not at home to open her.

The next day they invited me out, and then I offered them some pigiama from my late mother, so they slept at home again.

The next day was the last one. In the morning I spoke with HB22 telling her how I was sorry I was so direct on the first night. We went through everything that has happened also laughing at how embarassed was the young guy with HB18. She asked me about tantric sex, told her that intellectual discourse does not work on it, and if she wanted I could share some simple unthreatening excercise. By that time I have given up any idea to even kiss close her. But still wanted to be as friendly as possible.

She accepted and sent HB18 out on a hike in search of the perfect breakfast. I tried to do some exercise with her but she was basically completely frozen. Eventually I was able to hold her hands and caress them, and this was obviously good enough for her that she started being unable to talk. A clear sign oxytocin was being released. Eventually at the end we started teasing each other, and she told me that she was teasing me because "my energy just asked for it".

I said that she was still closed ans she was welcome to come back for 3 months when she wanted to open up more and after 3 months we would probably kiss. She asked me if this was what was on my mind all the time.
No.
But did you want to?
to do what?
kiss me?
of course.
I sensed it, and this is why I was so close.

I don't know what I said here, either that she wanted it too, or that she was just close in general. At some point I got up, in a very slow deliberate movement started walking toward her. She is on the other side of the room and has the time to say: "now this looks very threatening". I walk slowly up to her and put one hand around her waist and the other on the side of her face. I could have tried to kiss her in that moment, but instead kissed her on the cheek and closed the scene.

Why?
1) being on CS I could not risk her writing me a bad review
2) in retrospect I realise she wanted it. But I am so used to close through massage that I am no longer able to kiss close a girl making the move.

AFter that she left, we met again in the afternoon. They gave me some gifts for the house, and we hugged and said goodbye.

Errors:
1) getting drunk and acting while drunk was the first error.
2) accepting the male host was the second (although he was a great guy so I am happy he was here. We might work together)
3) Having the CS speak about male who try to bed their guests was also a problem, but how do you avoid it?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:04 am 
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Didn't read your whole post and I haven't gone around to using CouchSurf before but I'm pretty sure the idea behind it isn't for hook ups in exchange for a couch/bed to sleep on.

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It surely isn't. That's a positive side effect that seem to happen more and more, as you can see in this thread too: couch-surf-escapades-vt184738.html


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What creeps you out Da? The fact the people have sex on CS? The fact that people host with the intention of doing it? Does the other post I pointed to creeps you out as well? This is important for me because if they can use CS to have sex while I did something wrong I want to learn what, I want to learn why, so I can better myself.

I have been out of the PU scene for some years and apparently the ethics have changed. Some time ago this post would not have been felt as creepy, so I might need to retune myself.

What do other men around here feel? Am I off line or is Da too easily creeped out?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:23 am 
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My room mate just got laid again yesterday and i got LMR yesterday on an American.

Da - don't be so close minded, Diversify. We all know girls on holidays are more DTF and adventurous, they are also at our place+ alcohol + escalation = lots of sex. Are you telling me you have never gone on vAcarion to pull girls? Well, this is the same in reverse and they come to us instead. You really shouldn't knock It till you try it, your post is pure speculation

Tell me how meeting guys on the internet to go pulling girls is less creepy than couch surf game?

Right now. Couch surfer game is pretty much 50% for getting sexy time , which is great because cold approach the percentage is a lot lower, flakes, cock blocks. I'm all up for increasing the skill and pushing comfort zones , but it's nice to be lazy, not leave the house and still get laid with new girls.

This weekend I am going to Ireland to meet the spanish girl and have a dirty weekend. Will think of you Da ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:57 am 
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I came back home and since I was going to stay here for 3 weeks I decided to open up the house again for CS (C stands for Couch and S for surfing). I took some time to get it started, but eventually the request started pouring in. I started screening for girls. I also was willing to accept guys if I felt we had a lot or real interests in common. The first girl was a japanese girl very sweet who I later discovered through a game of Truth Telling that she was virgin (HBv). This was the end of that.
Then on new years eve I had 2 girls coming over. With one of them I had strong connection. Similar interest, obvious chemistry. And retrospectively I am now analysing why I could not close this very simple deal. Self esteem down the drain. I will spare you the details and just say that on the evening the girls met other CSers, and the topic of the day seemed to be: those creepy people who host girls just to fuck them. I have to admit I had no idea how to respond to that except thinking I now want only to host solo girls. The two f CS were young, 18 and 22 (I am over 40). I had great chemistry with HB22 while HB18 was I think more intelligent but the chemistry was just not there. If we were living in the same country she could have made a great friend. At the end of the evening I was drunk. The girls were supposed to go back to their hotel but I told them that if they wanted they could sleep in the couches or on the floor mattras. That night they slept in 4 in one room (3 girls, HBv, HB18, HB22 and 1 guy) while I was sleeping alone in the other room in a huge bed.

I just did not know how to offer to sleep in my bed without that sounding creepy/bad.

I did actually offer to HB22 to come and sleep in my bed. She answered: "what do you mean". I answered earnestly: "exactly what you are thinking in this moment". And then backed off from a very embarrassing conversation. After this there was embarassmente always when we chatted. The next day I told the two girls that I could not host them because I simply could not handle too many people at home. This seemed to raise their interest in me again, and HB22 asked if we could meet up again in the next days. I said, sure, exchanged phone numbers. And greeted her.

HBv left the city. Male guest left the city the next day. Another male guest arrived. I invited HB22 to come over for some spiritual exchanges. She answered: "yes, we come in two after sunset". So I organised a nice dinner and after we were massaging in front of the fireplace. The male guest (quite young) was massaging the hans of HB18 and was too embarassed to do anything. I was massaging the hand, and feet of HB 22. But she was putting up all sorts of blocks.

Eventually we looked at the time and it was 2am, and I went to bed, offering them to stay for the night if they were willing to share a mettrass together. They did. I have to admit the idea of them sleeping together was quite hot. Plus I wanted to give the sense that my bed (big and confy) was available.

Every day they would go out in the morning and come back in the evening.
This time HB22 sent me a text message asking to come back to sleep during the afternoon, as she was knacked and the hotel was far away. I took that as an IOI but I also took it too late plus I was not at home to open her.

The next day they invited me out, and then I offered them some pigiama from my late mother, so they slept at home again.

The next day was the last one. In the morning I spoke with HB22 telling her how I was sorry I was so direct on the first night. We went through everything that has happened also laughing at how embarassed was the young guy with HB18. She asked me about tantric sex, told her that intellectual discourse does not work on it, and if she wanted I could share some simple unthreatening excercise. By that time I have given up any idea to even kiss close her. But still wanted to be as friendly as possible.

She accepted and sent HB18 out on a hike in search of the perfect breakfast. I tried to do some exercise with her but she was basically completely frozen. Eventually I was able to hold her hands and caress them, and this was obviously good enough for her that she started being unable to talk. A clear sign oxytocin was being released. Eventually at the end we started teasing each other, and she told me that she was teasing me because "my energy just asked for it".

I said that she was still closed ans she was welcome to come back for 3 months when she wanted to open up more and after 3 months we would probably kiss. She asked me if this was what was on my mind all the time.
No.
But did you want to?
to do what?
kiss me?
of course.
I sensed it, and this is why I was so close.

I don't know what I said here, either that she wanted it too, or that she was just close in general. At some point I got up, in a very slow deliberate movement started walking toward her. She is on the other side of the room and has the time to say: "now this looks very threatening". I walk slowly up to her and put one hand around her waist and the other on the side of her face. I could have tried to kiss her in that moment, but instead kissed her on the cheek and closed the scene.

Why?
1) being on CS I could not risk her writing me a bad review
2) in retrospect I realise she wanted it. But I am so used to close through massage that I am no longer able to kiss close a girl making the move.

AFter that she left, we met again in the afternoon. They gave me some gifts for the house, and we hugged and said goodbye.

Errors:
1) getting drunk and acting while drunk was the first error.
2) accepting the male host was the second (although he was a great guy so I am happy he was here. We might work together)
3) Having the CS speak about male who try to bed their guests was also a problem, but how do you avoid it?


any comment?
Firstly, good job on your quest for couch surf game. I get so many friends that say they want to do it but they just never get round to it

Let me just clarify something for you, we were couch surfing like normal for a while and didn't really have intentions to turn into a method.

We would have a bunch of Mates over and my friend who looks like Ryan Gosling kept on fucking our Couch surfers.

Me and my wing moved in together and we optimised they way we do it . tried it for ourselves and we kept getting laid which now explains my CS escapades thread.

I think it would help you if you had a wing for the 2 sets, it would be much better for you. Girls who are solo seem to quite DTF too.

Our CS profile is great. Because. Our CS reviews filter For us. "PEBBLE and James are really cool and we had a crazy nights together!"

If these girls read this. And yet still request to stay over, then we are dealing with girls that are open minded to it so we get less "some hosts us CS To get laid" type of comments. We now get less requests but more sex because we are polarising.

We always always add them on FACEBOOK and look for boyfriends. We also look at the pics and we instantly tell if she is reserved or DTF. Just like in a nigh club. You can just tell by looking at them.

What you need to do is. Filter, handle obstacles . If we have 3 girls staying over , we will get a friend over. Try to escalate much more smoother. We usually play drinking games that involve dares and we get them to make out with us. Once we do that. We hold their hands and if they let us hold their hands. We know there is attraction.

At this point. It's just getting them into the bedroom. You can just do the usual "let me show you something" thing. Or, one of the dares can be "I dare you to go in your PEBBLE's bedroom for 1 min and shut the door"

Keep updating. I'm here to help.

Where are you based by the way?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:25 am 
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Firstly, good job on your quest for couch surf game. I get so many friends that say they want to do it but they just never get round to it

Let me just clarify something for you, we were couch surfing like normal for a while and didn't really have intentions to turn into a method.

We would have a bunch of Mates over and my friend who looks like Ryan Gosling kept on fucking our Couch surfers.

Me and my wing moved in together and we optimised they way we do it . tried it for ourselves and we kept getting laid which now explains my CS escapades thread.

I think it would help you if you had a wing for the 2 sets, it would be much better for you. Girls who are solo seem to quite DTF too.

Our CS profile is great. Because. Our CS reviews filter For us. "PEBBLE and James are really cool and we had a crazy nights together!"

If these girls read this. And yet still request to stay over, then we are dealing with girls that are open minded to it so we get less "some hosts us CS To get laid" type of comments. We now get less requests but more sex because we are polarising.

We always always add them on FACEBOOK and look for boyfriends. We also look at the pics and we instantly tell if she is reserved or DTF. Just like in a nigh club. You can just tell by looking at them.

What you need to do is. Filter, handle obstacles . If we have 3 girls staying over , we will get a friend over. Try to escalate much more smoother. We usually play drinking games that involve dares and we get them to make out with us. Once we do that. We hold their hands and if they let us hold their hands. We know there is attraction.

At this point. It's just getting them into the bedroom. You can just do the usual "let me show you something" thing. Or, one of the dares can be "I dare you to go in your PEBBLE's bedroom for 1 min and shut the door"

Keep updating. I'm here to help.

Where are you based by the way?
Hi Pebble,
thanks for the tips. I was wondering if it was better to have completely safe reviews or a bit of reviews suggesting I had an "interesting" side. One of my reviews from long time ago says that I am really good and would do "anything for my hosts ;-) ". Similarly is it better to have only female reviews or some mixed ones. I am going for the mixed ones, but a friend who has ONLY female reviews seems to score more.
In fact his answer in an email to a woman became famous among us:
she-"you only host women"
him-"yes"
she-"if you only host women it can only have one reason"
him-"they have surely considered that too"

On the other side the last CS I received all said that they chose me because I looked like the safest host. Talk about an emasculating comment, LOL.

I see your routine, but would not work with me. I don't play drinking game, you have seen what happens to me with just a bit of alcohol. But the house has a fireplace, and is in a strategic location (I will PM you where I am). So is really hard not to end up massaging each other in front of the fireplace. It's like a natural attractor.

The HBv did not end well I think because she was in fact a virgin. And when I realised it I decided I was not interested (she actually never kissed a guy, this I offered her is she wanted to try. Really out of compassion.). The other ones blocked each other, and the guy I was also hosting was too much a good guy. Logistics, logistics.

In any case I will keep offering for one person only, and if two comes then I will invite my friend over.

Regarding FB I just had a really bad experience. I am quite open on FB, and a well known feminist basher. I even publicly support PU, as in the post it has helped me so much, and I hate to see it being bashed as some form of socal abuse.

At some point one girl I was going to host asked me for my FB connection. I gave it to her, and then she said she just found a place in the house of a friend of her. Later I realised on FB there was a link to a PU article. oops.

I like the idea of the dare, but at 40 there are not many dare that you would not do. And the ones I would not do, are generally illegal. I have pretty much pushed the envelope as much as I am willing to do. So I end up playing the question game and then showing them some special massages and escalating from there. As I said in the introduction, I basically always escalate through massage, and it is always the girl kissing me first.

Said that, I am about to start travelling again, I am afraid I will not be able to use CS for some more months.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:51 am 
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Cool cool

All I can say is how we do it. If we were 40 perhaps we would do it slightly different

Regardless, game is game. So find a way to attract them, and make a move. Figure it out. Obviously one on one will make things easier. Trying to attract one girl in a 2 set will be a problem because her friend will get bored and want to explore your city and drag the girl you like with Her

Me and James are lazy. But I'm sure we will get laid more so if we were to join them and show the highlights of the city, perhaps cook them food and just have amazing time altogether. I'm currently seeing a girl that lives near by so it's risky for Me to be seen with pretty girls. So i won't be doing the tour guide thing for the time being.

my friend hooked up with a couch surfer and became a tour guide , had a special time together. Practically fell in love

But obviously make sure you game too and don't be too much of Tour guide since it's the same category as the FRIENDZONE

Good luck with your travels :)

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Yes, the lazy game sounds particularly appealing to me. Subtitle, I don't go to them, they come to me. I am too busy to be a tourguide, so I walk with them for half a day, but for the rest they are by themselves. I try to give the sense (which is actually true, so it's kind of easy ;-) ) that I have a lot of things to do, but I take time because I am enjoying staying with them. But I really cannot more than few hours. Then in the evening we meet again.

Now my bog problem is that I will be in other countries for some months, and in each country for about 1 week, maximum 2. CS does not let you have multiple accounts tied to the same person. So I can only change the address every time. But this takes away the possibilities for Chicks to ask to be hosted in advance.


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Da, Ha fair enough mate

I do pretty well in the real world too, SNL's 7/8 times out of 10 so this is always going to be the backbone of any part of my game and not just my 'couch surf game' but I have my real world skill to thank for everything. Love it.

If you're not getting laid, then I would defo ditch everything and get your ass into the trenches. I have no idea of the OP's skill level. he says he is 40 so I should imagine he should have some good experience.

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I don't think the OP should be wasting his time bringing women to his home through a laptop. Infact, his post reads more of someone who needs more real world experience, and I'd advise him to leave his home and consider practicing cold approaches.
Please, if you think something like this, speak directly to me. Saying that something I do is creepy, is not ok. It is manipulative behaviour and in this case it did not even work out well.


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If you're not getting laid, then I would defo ditch everything and get your ass into the trenches. I have no idea of the OP's skill level. he says he is 40 so I should imagine he should have some good experience.
Yes, I do have some experience, but I surely can improve. Also the game changes every few years. Women of the same age perceive you as older (you are). Women of your age are in different moment of their life (mostly are seeing their children go out of home if they have any, or are approaching menopause). All this brings new challenges. Also you need to re-evaluate your goals. Do I want a woman for the night? A woman for short term relationship? A series of women at the same time so I never end up alone when one leaves? One women to build a family and have children (so a younger woman)? Or maybe multiple women?

Basically what I am trying to do is to set up a system of slow change where new women enter in my life constantly but slowly. And I have always more than one women with which I can have sex. I calculate that for this to happen I need to meet at least a dozen new women a week. Meet as just chat randomly, but enough that if we wanted to push it further we would have no embarrassment to ask each other a connection and actually meeting again (my sticking point).

CS is a tremendous help in this. Not only it brings chicks to my house, but it throws me into different social circles.


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