Gents,

Let me quickly download you some vital statistics.
Age: 45
Relationship: Married w/2 kids. As most of us the status can be described as 'complicated' at best
Geography: Istanbul, Turkey
Physic: Normal build, on the thinnish side
Previous experience: Almost none. Copying a quote from 'The Game'. I am a typical AFC - whenever I find a women I hold on to her because I don't know when/whether I can get another one soon

Why I am here: I recently had a wake-up call experience. It didnt' lead anywhere just yet - with declining probablity everyday. But it made me realize how much I crave and need a proper action. I mean the hunting part more so than actual sex - though I am not against it.

What have I done so far? While browsing reddit, I stumbled upon a website called shakedownlab. Based on the steps provided I read No more Mr. nice guy, How to make friends and influence people, and I just started the Game.

Who am I: I am deep in heart a nice guy. I have always valued honesty. I am one of those guys with values. The downside is I try to please woman too much. It's good when you're marrying but after a while it gets boring. I effectively am not a shy guy, but in my mind girls have too much power and control. I never realize they enjoy sex as much as we do. Henceforth I become paralyzed when making the move.

Anyways, just wanted to say hi to all. I will share my story hopefully in a day or so. Your input will be extremely valuable.

Cheers,

Dear all, I joined the forum yesterday. I have been able to browse a fraction of the posts so far. I must say this is a great place to be. I hope I will contribute soon with my experiences. Though I am a married man, I really want to hook up with as many girls as possible.

With this post I want to ask a specific question. I met a girl (aged 25) few weeks ago in a bar, we did small conversation and kind of hit it off. So I called her next week and we went to a date.

Unfortunately the date was pretty weird. i.e. it started great, she was giving me IOIs (touching my arm etc.). But than I lost control and we both got drunk in the bar. Around 1 a.m. we were still drinking and suddenly she left the premises. !!!!! The next day I received a text from her apologizing and she wants to make it up to me. I am pretty dissatisfied but at least she made an effort.

Last week we were supposed to see each other in a dinner - but she worked late and couldn't come. So all the signals after the IOIs are negative obviously. But do you think there's an angle here?

I can think of two:
- I frequent the bar we met (and went to date after). In fact I'll go tonight. I can casually invite her. e.g. I'm going to bar with a friend. Will you be there?
- I learned from infamous facebook she'll be in a bday party on Friday. I know a pretty and somewhat classy hooker. I thought I can go there with this hooker and try to make her desire me.

What do you think?

To OP:

Develop a natural framework then fill it in with stuff you find on here. There are many posts on natural game in the Natural game section.

Here is a basic one:

Approach/open(light kino optional) - have her invest/qualify herself to you (light kino) - build comfort/rapport (mid kino) - Close (number, instant date)

Then go on here and look over advice on texting and pick what you find the most fun to test out. Employ your texting game (or phone conversation game if you want to do that) and set up the date ASAP

Look for advice on dates (pick the thing you like best)

Look for advice on how to get a kiss

Look for advice on how to get a woman isolated in a place you can have sex.

Look for advice on how to prevent and overcome LMR

Look for advice on how to manage having an abundance of women in your life/managing a one woman relationship.

Answers to each piece of that puzzle can be found here for free.

A more advanced but still basic framework

pre approach - Approach/open(light kino optional) - have her invest/qualify herself to you (light kino) - build comfort/rapport (mid kino) - Close (number, instant date)

I suggest after you develop your own personal system (which can include nlp/hypnosis if you want) that you practice practice practice, then look for better skills to fill each section.

If you choose to do this can you do me a favor? I want to see what you create. PM me your completed framework (i don't care how long the PM is tell the whole story). I'll look over it and clean it up and streamline it for you.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.