I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I only mentioned it to show that I have absolutly NO intentionof marrying down. My woman will be on a royalty like level. That being the case I do not have to worry about some broke bitch stealing my money because she'll have her own/more than me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3P-j03MoYg

“credibility to be suspect,” man wtf?!

Thanks for that link. It reminds me of something I saw on...forgive me Real housewives of Atlanta. I watched it with my mother she loves that shit... On the show the girl (Kandi) had the money and was putting a prenup on the dude. He was clearly after her money and resisted to the day before the weddding. I never knew why she did this until now, but she had her lawyer film the dude state that he was not signing the prenup under duress on camera in a formal deposition like SPAM.

That solves that IMO. All you have to do is get the evidence before hand. Plus they said it was a rare case so if you prevent that one option then she is fucked. I play a lot of MTG and I kick so much ass. I use a rouge deck I came up with on my own. It can destroy any deck on the planet. I'm planning on going for the world championship next year. The key is to understand how my opponents can beat me. People really only have 1 or two power plays they can make to win the game. All I have to do is stop that and the game is over.

How else can a woman beat my prenup if I get her to sign it more than 4 days in advanced and have video evidence showing she isn't under any duress? No worries man.
There is nothing I can say to this. You have a belief system that is fundamentally different than mine. All you basically said with this line is "you can't do it!" to that I say I love you hater. Keep hating, you are a signpost that I'm on the right track.

You do not know my capacity. You don't know my IQ. Don't measure me against yourself or any other mother fucker on this site or in this community. Like I said in another post somewhere we are all individuals.

I'm already good at PU I'm about to become great. I posses my father's spirit. That stupid bastard died when I was 3 from Aids unfortunately. He was a Pimp and a used car dealership owner. We are not cut from the same cloth you and I.

Plus PU is so broad I'm 100% sure you don't have the exact skillset that I have or will have in the future.
Joe every woman doesn't think the same way. What your referring to Vin Dicarlo addresses in his relationship line theory as he categorizes women psychology. A realist (the feminists and modern woman who want to be equal/better than men). An idealist (the Disney princess who wants to be saved by a man and live happily ever after)

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extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

This sounds as about as credible as the comment made about puas earlier.

Exactly. My point is that, a lot of people have given these ridiculous sort of responses, "why aren't men using money or..." and they have limited understanding of the laws, the court system that is in favor of women but, that, it is a money making scheme. MGTOW makes it out like women are villains the way feminist make men out to be "rapey" under the theme "rape culture." Ask a feminist, anything pua is rapey and "rape culture" however, read the front cover of any Cosmo magazine:



And everything that is man is rape culture. BDSM is illegal in most provinces and states yet, fifty shades is on its way to major motion picture. JB was banned form entering countries but, this movie is still intact. This is female logic. That radio host who is in trouble for aggressive sex pretty much out himself for BDSM which is retarded since, it is illegal in his province as, no woman can consent to bodily harm. Again, fifty shades has sold millions of copies even though it looks like it was written by a child in elementary school rather than an academic.

I am not following? Explain?
As it stands now, man makes more money then women on average so, the court system has man by the balls. Girl power in the court systems is all smoke and mirrors. Its all about money. WHen man stops getting married or marriage is in decline, the government implemented common law rules to compensate. Now, there are people "living together apart." google or youtube that!
That's okay. It makes us unique. Very much so, our ambitions and likely what brought us here are similar. We have that common ground. I am saying, not everyone is Neo from the Matrix dodging bullets, and flying around the planet. I have never been out with you. I know there are guys who do not do PUA who kick my ass in game.

I mentioned a man who went on a rant about being a asshole and pulverizing female self esteem and psychology. The young woman proceeded to take her tits out and got naked. PU does not teach that kind of fire power. I have definitely gotten damn good with back to back pulls. Still, I go through periods without dating or flaky numbers. Still, that man definitely has tools you cannot get from PU. Just imagine Julien Blanc on gear. It was pretty outrageous to watch someone do this and the woman shit tested him saying he had no game. The next sec, she is getting naked, straddling him, and he is telling her she is not good enough for him. Unreal.
It does not remove the reality that very few men are good with women and even fewer are good at PU. This was not attack on you personally. Who knows? You maybe better at then I or hell, the best on this forum or the universe. Quite personally, I do not care either way. I think we both have different goals. And that is okay.
That would contradict what Tyler suggests but, ok.
And there we have it. Its turned into a cock measuring comp. Bravo.

Like I said dude, back to back pulls. At the point in my life, I simply do not give a fuck about it. I don't. It really does not mean much to me. I have no PU obsession. Quite frankly, I feel like the PU obsessions is what got the guy in jail in the first place. Apparently, he had something like 200 or more kills. I don't want to be that nor do I want to be arrested to impress a few people on a internet forum. Where does that guy even go from there now?

Yeah. I agree. The interesting thing I have come to learn is that, it all really doesn't matter at becoming great at Pu or whatever. If you pull a girl, there was likely a reason, and we can call it game but, there was a reason for it. There was a reason why a woman brought up wanting to have kids before pouncing at me. There was a reason a woman came back with me, did cocaine in the toilet, and wanted a gangbang. I am not turned on by that. I am not suppose to get that woman. If greatness meant involving myself in gangbangs or pig roasts, I would question the validity of greatness. I have had great experiences with women. It felt unique. In contrast, the alternative experiences felt gross and made me do some introspection on my life. If I died tomorrow, I spent my remaining hours and time with someone who wanted to be destroy by multiple men while indulging in cocaine in a toilet?

Fat chicks, being fat.

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lol what was that from exactly?

Rejection sucks for everyone. Simple enough. At this point, I don't much care, and I feel emotionless when it comes to it. The same with flakes or girls who are nonresponsive. I seen a girl out one night, we made eye contact, I made small talk, and just left on her or so she thought. I came back and talked some more. I took her number. She seemed sweet. It took her two days to response. Over the holidays, I sent her another message, and again, its really long delay. She is a struggling college student. Cute girl but, a bit spacey. I no longer have her number. Interestingly, the women with the higher income, active gym memberships, pretty, career oriented, ambitious, have a lot going on, and they respond faster then her. Kind of ironic?

I am not suppose to be with the spacey cute struggling college student. The responsive women who are attractive and have a lot of things going on to me are all the more appealing. The verdict is still out as to what will happen there. Regardless, I feel like it is a better alternative indulging in women who seem to know what they want, where they are going, and have something in common with. One seems to play hard to get. The other is a bit shy, still pretty responsive, and sounds keen to hangout. Both could bail at some point and its cool. I am not attached. I always take the approach to love and enjoy the experience. I think that really is the secret to PU. You may like or have feelings for a woman for whatever reasons. Instead of enamouring over her, you set plans, remain unattached, and are in full surrender to the moment no matter the outcome.

Can you guys talk about what's going on in real life ? I'm sorry but in real life KK is not a role model to most women. Sure, magazines sell about her life, her clothing / fragrance money is good, but its not like most women today look up to her or want to follow her lifestyle. How many women do you meet that actually want to make a sex tape to get famous? Sure, some do... but there have always been women who want to trade sex outright for fame and money. Porn didn't start with KK. Many people look up to Justin Timberlake but most men don't seriously think about forming a boy band. You guys are making it sound like the majority of women are just trying to be floozies. Come on, things aren't THAT extreme. Yes, many women out there may look up to KK literally but its no different to girls who looked up to Pam Anderson or Marilyn Monroe.

Yes trashy TV shows sell, but its not fair to say people are looking up to these people as role models. People loved jersey shore, but there wasn't this big shift in men turning into guidos or women dropping out of college to party like snooker. As V said, the majority of women are into the girl power thing, they don't like the word slut being used, they expect equal pay, but they aren't man bashing or looking for fame. When you see all those arguments online about cat calling or rape or whatever, the average woman doesn't care or even bothers with that stuff. In real life you find very very few women who go around talking about harassment, or overly paranoid to have sex. They share a harassment video, click like, may donate a buck and then they go put their makeup on and fuck someone or whatever.

There are always men and women who choose to marry someone who you'd think they are crazy for marrying. Serial killers have women lining up to have their kids, and women who fucked a million guys will have men lining up as well. If you took a dump right now and put in on eBay with publicity, many people would bid. But unless its a large portion of the Us or the world bidding, it does not equal any real meaning on the majority of people.

Please guys, talk about the majority or a rising portion. The world isn't all just party chicks or real housewife of wherever contestants. That's not the women I see when I go to the grocery store. That's not who I see at work. If you're worried about your money, sign a prenuptial. Shit isn't that extreme. You ask most women about cat calling.... they don't care. They aren't blowing up if you offer to pay for dinner and they're not blowing up if you don't. Don't go off of social media for what's really going on. If women in your city are making sex tapes to get famous on some grand scale, then you have a point. If women are debating in coffee shops the street harassment video, then you have a point. If more and more of your approaches are getting you Maced then you have a point. The marriage divorce stuff is ok, but the other stuff is just not what happens consistently or on a larger scale than decades ago. Separate what is REALLY happening in the world from what some article says happened once or how many likes a harassment video gets. Most women... just... don't... care. Alot of this reminds me of when guys say if you wear a boa, every girl in the bar is gonna associate you to pick up. Like the show was the number one and only show in america for 5 years.

I just keep seeing these one off points fueling conclusions. Is a good proportion of women like KK, no. Is a good proportion of women calling rape, no. Are a good proportion of women discussing cat calling or man bashing no. These ARE problems, but lets not go throwing out the word 'most' so quickly.

I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that I'm not going to marry up? That's just an opinion
Thanks for sharing. .
Sure, in MTG there is something called a Metagame. The Metagame is comprised of the most powerful decks that commonly smash every other deck. Uncreative players will search the internet and buy these decks so that they appear strong. You know that in every walk of life you have the general population, well the GP buys the most common powerful decks and just play those. The decks are popular because they are powerful. A rouge player such as myself prides himself in creating his own decks from the abundance of cards that are available in the world. I know what's in all of those common decks and my deck is specifically designed to destroy all of them. But it's unique because I created it.

The reason I brought it up was to point out to you that the masses of women only have a few known options available to beat guys out of their money in a divorce. A person like me becomes aware of the options and I take measures that completely destroy those options.

In short... A man can get married without worrying about losing all of his money if he takes the proper measures. Just my personal belief we don't have to agree. I was trying to provide you a real world example but I went a little too nerdy. I should have used a chess analogy.
I wasn't saying that to say you suck or that I'm better than you. I just wanted you to realize that when were using the term PU we are probably talking about totally different systems. I wanted to bring into your reality that you don't know what you don't know.

I find a bunch of intermediate/advanced guys on here make the mistake of thinking they are omniscient about PU and they diss and limit PU speaking from their own frame of knowledge and experiences when the PUA sitting next to them is living in an entirely different dimension.

Anyway, I think you and I are similar in a lot of ways. That's why we're butting heads.

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extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
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Where the eff is the like button?

I always get amused when people on PUA forums get riled up about the "feminazis"

Sure there may be a few radical feminists out there, but the vast majority of chicks don't care about that shit.

The point is that, women are continually taught, their actions have absolutely no responsibility.

You don't need a man and if you cannot handle your shit, some jackass or putz, some mangina or white knight will foot the bill.

You are missing the point. Women are selling their sex in other ways. They do not have to put out an actual sex tape. Its in the form of slutty pics on social medias. If you are the correct brand... attention is okay but, if you are not, you are made to feel like a putz.

You say, "women are not role modeling KK" but, how often are women fueling their mind's with the Kardashians? This is what women occupy their time with. Women are rarely reading about Winston Churchill. They are watching poison like KK or the desperate house wives.

My point is that, a man will not meet a red pill woman who occupies here mind with such stupidity. It just wont happen that way. The same feminist zombies are in this low level of consciousness.
Being sociopaths and psychos have other attractive qualities. Read, "the sociopath next door."
For sure. I already established that. I already mentioned red pill women, women who despite winning the genetic lottery are working out, are independent, in the six figure income, have other ambitions instead of gangbangs. Yes, red pill women do exist but, they are not the norm in today's society. They are anomaly. Single mom's are the norm in society. Women with several children from different men are the norm. The woman pouncing at me having mentioned her body and wanting children is more the norm. More the norm is the gangbang woman wanting toilet cocaine. This is the average Western Woman in society today.
The problem is that, you have a gf which is great, and I am happy for you but, you are not actively doing PU. Times have changed. PU has changed since the game came out. Hell, the dating world has changed since the 90s, early 2000s, mid 2000s, and even present day with online dating being more socially acceptable now. Taking this back to sexodus, women tend to date up. regardless of their socio-economic standings, women can improve if they have sex appeal. Part of the issue has to do with male ignorance.

Men are bought into the happily ever after more then women are. Men are socially conditioned.

Sounds like it. I acknowledged due to choice of wording, the night that I was out with other people and pulled the gangbang woman back, other dudes used pu terminology. Nobody had anything on the guy that did the self esteem pulverizing. I look forward to winging again with him.

Neither are most men. I have no idea what feminism has to do with the fact that women aren't reading about Winston Churchill. Women have always been focused on vapid, shallow topics especially those related to physical appearance and gossip.

Men have always been focused on women and collecting material wealth/possessions.

This has nothing to do with modern society of feminism.
Quite amusing the massive generalizations you make about Western society. My question is, have you ever lived outside of your home country? I'm not talking about a two week vacation. What are you basing your massive generalizations on? Romanticised ideas of non-western culture is?
The way we interact has changed, but the base desires and motivations remain the same. The outer shell of society will ALWAYS change, but if you check what's under the hood you'll find that the change is far less rapid. You need to stop looking at it with such a limited scope and realise that things are a lot deeper than you think.
Everybody is socially conditioned.

Can't quite but choc gets it.

Joe, you say sociopaths have other attractive qualities. Yes. And women who've fucked thousands of guys have other attractive qualities as well. You can't pick and choose. All are crazy for the choices of who they marry whether it be the women who want to marry a serial killer or the men who want to marry a whore. In fact, logically the women who want to marry a serial killer are more crazy because they risk getting murdered themselves or tortured. A man marrying a whore risks his money or an std so it's kinda the same, but logically the women are crazier.

As choc said women have always been reading vapid topics. And yes I am in relationship for 6 months. The world hasn't changed since then and I haven't stopped interacting with real women and people. I've met gangbang women 12 years ago and gangbang women a few months ago. But I wouldn't say that's most women. I've dated women from online, day game, night game, social circle game, work, college girls, single mothers, professional girls, waitresses in many different states and cities. Different races as well. The KK Idol types I rarely came across as well as the hard-core feminist types. Certain traditional values are disappearing or getting harder to find amongst women but that isn't the same as saying most women are these fuck for money types of man bashers.

Choc is saying my words much better than I am, the outside appears to be changing but the inner change is far less. Single
mothersfor example aren't just trying to trap men on some scale. Women aren't dating up. Fat is still fat. And poor hot women have always been able to date rich men. If you tell me that you look outside and see frequently that ugly girls are walking arm in arm with attractive guys you have a point. If you are running into these women you describe consistently say where you're meeting them and what's the proportion.

I see unattractive women with attractive men - occasionally. They usually look to be married, and she was probably a lot hotter back then.
I see it roughly as often as a major gap between a man who's fat/unattractive and an attractive woman.

But it's quite exceptional. So rare that I can't even say if it's 1-50 couples or 1-500. It's rare enough that I can go to the mall, spend three hours shopping, and not even see it once.

Now it is true that reasonably fat chicks(under 200) can sometimes bang guys WAY out of their league. But that's strictly sex. He's horny and it's not working with the prettier girls, so he grabs a fat chick because he wants sex no matter what.

Even in the rare case that a fat girl gets a guy out of her league, he's probably the only one. She has no other good options. It's not something she can consistently do.

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Exactly. What I liked abt your opening post is you linked what you read, to what you came across in real life. I'm fine with that, because then a good discussion can be made. Yes, fat or less attractive women are getting more attention through social media, but you have to ask does this equal that they are able to date a higher tier of man than they did decades ago? Are 6's and 7's now with male models or guys who are 8's+ consistently? If KK is really on the average girl's mind, are rich guys now able to pull hot girls easier than they did decades ago? If the average woman is a feminazi, are more men experiencing getting called harassers, or are more women arguing about street harassment at coffee shops?

The problem I have with the anti feminist camp, is anything is used as proof to support the theory that most women are man hating feminazis. A girl from online refuses to meet you at your place for the first date...oh...she must be a feminazi who sees all men as rapists, not just a person with common sense. A woman who slept with a thousand guys gets a thousand marriage proposals...oh, that's because the modern man is neutered and will take anything...but forget that thousands of women are crushing over the boston bomber. Kim Kardashian is able to get married after making a sex tape...it's due to feminism...forget that she looks good, has millions and gets more respect everywhere she goes than the lawyer you're dating does. All the women on my instagram are taking slutty pics...it must be due to feminism and KK idolatry....forget that I added the girls with the sexiest pics to my instagram, and passed on the women who kept it simple. My friend is the same way. He complains that all women he meets from facebook are hos and he cant meet a good woman...but he adds and goes after the women on facebook with booty shots or meets women at the sleaziest clubs.

Women felt that way because they were TOLD to feel that way. You think the average NYC woman is outraged when she walks on the street and is given that attention?

Dude, you can't equate what happens on social media with real life.
You could say the EXACT SAME THING about ANYTHING, including pickup. How many total AFC's complete a bootcamp in within weeks are promoted to instructor status? How many guys who have no idea what to do with woman release some stupid document saying that they have some surefire way to get women jumping into their bed TONIGHT?

How is this any different from any "movement" that takes advantage of the easily persuaded?

Yes. Women stick together. They may make a guy wait a few dates for sex, they may do one night stands, they may call another girl a slut of judge her for it, but if you, a man calls a woman a slut, they stick together and say that's wrong. Girl power. Even if a woman doesn't give a crap about street harassment or actually likes the attention, put a camera on her and she's gonna cry out against street harassment even when she doesn't care. They band together. Men on the other hand, don't. If Jezebel or whatever female organization, if one of their writers were caught saying some shit like Julien was, trust me, the ENTIRE organization and women everywhere would back the writer. They may not believe or care abt what they say, but they understand, hey it's another woman, stick together.

I saw a clip online of Russel brand talking about Julien situation. All he said was basically, I took a picture with a fan, and I don't condone raping or mistreating women. Every one knows Julien was not raping chicks and was making jokes. RB could have said I don't condom raping women and tbh this whole thing is not rape or condoning rape in my opinion. Feminism is money. PU is money. The judicial system is money. So if men want laws to change, they have to put money behind it.