I don't know. To me, the problem is mostly a reflection of self. IE, I suck, and my prospects suck.
So what you're really asking, is how do we improve the character of the average person.

That's a mighty challenging question. And one that is well above my pay grade.
I have no idea how to instill common sense, and ignite a desire to accomplish things and grow as a person.

Most people are drawn to security and habit. They don't like to leave their comfort zone and if they're not happy right now, they're going to have to. How do you inspire courage in the masses? I don't know.

I really like how you worded that. It was not necessarily a call out or maybe it was but, indirectly. I like what you did there. Really!

I read the Arnold Schwarzenegger book. Awesome read. He says pretty much that if you want to succeed in any walk of life, it comes down to reps. You want to be Mr Olympia, do your reps. If you want to be a block buster A list Actor, you got to do your reps. You want to be married to a Kennedy, you got to do your reps. Reps comes in many forms.

Build an emotional connection through your hard throbbing cock.
Build trust and comfort by holding their hands and covertly rubbing your elbows on their nipples.

I stopped reading quite a while ago

I usually don't get into extended arguments. If we aren't starting to get where the other person is coming from within a few posts, it's probably never going to happen.

But I learned that lesson very slowly with about 1,500 posts on a political forum, like 8 years ago. Actually ruined me on forums until this one

Build an emotional connection through your hard throbbing cock.
Build trust and comfort by holding their hands and covertly rubbing your elbows on their nipples.

I really like how you worded that. It was not necessarily a call out or maybe it was but, indirectly. I like what you did there. Really!

Imagine a situation where everyone lived up to even half of their potential and everyone was mostly positive, motivated, friendly, etc. Do you think we'd have this problem? I don't. And I think most people who work on improving themselves, see positive results. It's a very rare person who is truly a victim of circumstance without any recourse.

I just finished reading an article meetjoeblack posted about how modern culture has impacted many men.

I know, I often say "Why are we discussing feminism", but I found this interesting. The premise is that the lowest tier of men have basically given up on sex and are withdrawing from society. They enter a cave of video games and pornography and never emerge again.

I think there is a lot of truth to this. I meet these guys at every college I go to. I'd say it's a good %20-25 of young men. They barely leave their house, rarely have a girlfriend and almost never a girlfriend they actually want.

The Old Days
In the past, these men could rely on social structures created by modern civilization to ensure that every man had exactly one woman. Maybe the lowest tier guy can't get a mid tier girl, but he can at least be assured a low tier woman.

However, with the social patriarchy crumbling, the men on the low end of spectrum lack any sort of guarantee. The fat chick is no longer forced to marry the fat guy. She can either hold out, hoping to snag someone out of her league(she can support herself after all), or even opt out altogether if she can't have her dream guy.

Men are naturally more realistic than women, so we've probably always been more comfortable with settling.

The Natural Order?
Now what I wonder is, is this really a problem?
If you look at our prehistoric ancestors, about %20 of women never procreated, but about %40 of men didn't. So %20 of men being unable to find a mate appears to be nature's equilibrium coming in to play when an artificial societal construct is removed.

Now of course, I'm not all about nature. I like GMO, I'm sitting in a house heated by electricity and typing on a computer that I wouldn't find in the forest. Nature actually kind of sucks and we've improved on it in a lot of ways.

Yet at the same time, I think there is a natural reflex by the genetically unfit to screen themselves out. What do I mean by this? I think we all have certain basic "standards" so to speak built into ourselves. In the past, culture was prodding us to ignore these standards and mate anyway. Now? Not so much. Fat chicks being too picky and ending up alone is actually how nature designed it. The bottom tier of women and bottom two tiers of men are meant to be childless. And what we are seeing, is nature reasserting its influence, without the enforced equality of patriarchal structure.

Natural Eugenics
I look around and think to myself that an awful lot of the population is composed of people with almost no redeeming quality. They're ugly, stupid and generally suck as people. They seem prone to substance abuse on top of this. This is probably close to %15 or so of the population. These people probably never would have existed in the natural order. And I think they're about to be phased out again in the next few generations.

I think what we are witnessing is natural eugenics. There is a reason we went from regular primates to such highly intelligent animals that we could create civilization. This process was our well developed screening process, where each generation we were just a little bit better than the previous generation.

La Grande Histoire
With early civilization, we seemed to stagnate. Until we grew so big that we started starving and suffering from malnutrition. This screened for genetic unfitness, because only the strong children could survive a famine.
Scarce resources also lead to war. War proved to be a new way to implement the natural process again. The less physically fit and stupider men tended to be the ones who died. And it was the low quality women that were killed, because who wants to take her as war spoils?

The Modern Age
Only in the last century, have we had a situation where everyone was well fed, there was little risk of death as a result of malnutrition or physical unfitness in war(bullets are very much an equalizer).

All of this peace and prosperity, allowed for equality between the sexes. And with equality came autonomy. Women may have seen expanding rights, but they have not truly reached an equal status to men, until very recently. And just about the time the last vestiges of the patriarchy fade, we see nature returning.

The low quality women can't find a man, and the low quality men can't find one either. Just as nature intended.

The premise is that the lowest tier of men have basically given up on sex and are withdrawing from society.

I'm friends with "feminists" and many of them are the most sexually permissive women I've met, and some of them are also hot. Some of what feminists say is complete BS, but some of it is quite useful. There are legitimate reasons for "feminism" IN SOME ASPECTS.

Please note that my definition of "feminism" does NOT mean that women hate men, but that they would like to achieve a certain level of equiality in specific areas.

I'm NOT in support of radical feminism or man bashing.

Build an emotional connection through your hard throbbing cock.
Build trust and comfort by holding their hands and covertly rubbing your elbows on their nipples.

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but nearly all women consider themselves feminists. However, feminism refers to academic feminism, which most women are not well acquainted. Most women believe not in feminism but "girl power", which is basically capsulized in Legally Blonde.

So should men rise up and crush women underfoot?

I'm amazed the Feminist Movement hasn't created some sort of Anti-Feminist movement from the guys who are having their power and positions threatened. Why because the Feminists are not a real threat to the mother fuckers in POWER!

They also aren't a threat to people like us. This appears to be a bunch of smoke and mirrors to me. The weak guys are being crushed by strong women. The strong men's positions remain the same. I'm not talking about just having money. Any man who gets a basic understanding of real PU or power can avoid the situation entirely, find a healthy woman and have a healthy relationship, or find a weak woman and DOMINATE her for 50 years happily.

The feminists aren't strong enough to take out the strong guys in the world. Just look at Julian. With all this BS his name has never held so much weight. I bet he can still go out tonight and get something going with women, and he STILL is making money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... e_divorces

Dmitry Rybolovlev's divorce from Elena Rybolovleva; estimated at $4.5 billion [1]
Alec Wildenstein's divorce from Jocelyn Wildenstein; estimated at $2.5 billion [2]
Bernie Ecclestone's divorce from Slavica; estimated at $1-$1.2 billion [3]
Harold Hamm estimated at $1 billion [4]
Adnan Khashoggi's divorce from Soraya Khashoggi; estimated at $850 million [5]
Craig McCaw's divorce from Wendy McCaw; estimated to exceed $460 million [6]
Mel Gibson's divorce from Robyn Moore Gibson; estimated at $425 million [7]
Roman Abramovich's divorce from Irina Abramovich; estimated at $300 million [8]
Michael Polsky's divorce from Maya Polsky, $184 million [9]
Michael Jordan's divorce from Juanita Jordan; estimated at $168 million [10]
Boris Berezovsky's divorce from Galina Besharova; estimated at $160 million [11]
Neil Diamond's divorce from Marcia Murphey; estimated at $150 million [12]
Frank McCourt's divorce from Jamie McCourt; estimated at $130 million [13]
Garth Brooks' divorce from Sandy Mahl; estimated at $125 million [14]
Charles Edgar Fipke's divorce from Marlene Fipke; estimated at $123 million [15]
Greg Norman's divorce from Laura Andrassy; estimated at $103 million [16]
Rupert Murdoch's divorce from Anna Murdoch; estimated at $100 million [17]
Tiger Woods' divorce from Elin Nordegren; estimated at $100 million [18]
Steven Spielberg's divorce from Amy Irving; estimated at $100 million [19]
Madonna's divorce from Guy Ritchie; estimated at $76-$92 million [20]
Harrison Ford's divorce from Melissa Mathison; estimated at $85 million [21]
Kevin Costner's divorce from Cindy Silva; estimated at $80 million [22]
Kenny Rogers divorce from Marianne Rogers; estimated at $60 million [23]
Kelsey Grammer's divorce from Camille Grammer; estimated at $60 million [24]
James Cameron's divorce from Linda Hamilton; estimated at $50 million [25]
Paul McCartney's divorce from Heather Mills; estimated at $48.6 million [26]
Michael Douglas' divorce from Diandra Douglas; estimated at $45 million [25]
Ted Danson's divorce from Casey Coats; estimated at $30 million [27]
Donald Trump's divorce from Ivana Trump; estimated at $25 million [28]
Lionel Richie's divorce from Diane Richie; estimated at $20 million [25]
Johnny Carson's divorce from Joanna Holland; estimated at $20 million
Mick Jagger's divorce from Jerry Hall; estimated between $15 and $25 million [25]

They are a freaking JOKE if they think they will tip the power scales beyond fucking over those weak men at the bottom. Those guys playing video games afraid to talk to women are JOKES. I used to be a JOKE like them, but I took steps and now I'm more of a JOKER

I don't feel threatened in the least by these women. It's not like they are out here training paramilitary groups for the purposes of assassinating men or something.

Let those weak fuckers die off and stay out of our gene pool. Our species will be better off. It amazes me how humans are always trying to save weak useless things.

Personally I think it's a fallacy that "feminism" being "modern" etc has impacted the way people are, perpetuated by people who have very little idea what it means to live in various cultures.

I've spent most of my life living in an "underdeveloped" country where someone identifying as a "feminist" would quite literally get laughed at. (Even worse if you're an atheist/agnostic but that's a discussion for another forum)

That being said, there are still chodes in my home country who can't get laid if a woman fell on top of them. These guys, almost without fail, end up in church/religious where they HOPE to find a single mother who's desperate enough to marry them, or get to 80 without ever having touched poon before giving up the ghost.

I'm friends with "feminists" and many of them are the most sexually permissive women I've met, and some of them are also hot. Some of what feminists say is complete BS, but some of it is quite useful. There are legitimate reasons for "feminism" IN SOME ASPECTS.

Please note that my definition of "feminism" does NOT mean that women hate men, but that they would like to achieve a certain level of equiality in specific areas.

I'm NOT in support of radical feminism or man bashing.

Joe,

I come from a biased perspective. Lets say us as a human species is a giant clan. The higher tier women with power and fame are my intended goal. Through a combination of PU and SS game it can be done all I would have to do is get in front of the girl and run that shit. Millionaires+.

'I'm ready for love': Former escort turned 'girl next door' who slept with 10,000 men is ready to settle down


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -down.html

Besides that, all of those guys could easily have gotten prenuptial agreements. Me being a PUA I personally would not give a fuck how the woman felt about it. You leave what you came in with. My future wife may not even want me to sign one, but I will anyway just so she will have no doubts that I am not after her money.

PRENUP TRASHED: Brooklyn court dumps marriage contract in unprecedented action
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/p ... 2013-03-11

Those guys got outplayed by those women. It's their own damn fault they got taken to the cleaners like that. Prenuptial has existed for a long time and is specifically designed to counter that power play. IMO they are all just AFCs that just obtained money and resources. You can get that stuff and still be stupid as fuck when it comes to women.

Especially if you don't know what really is going on with them like we do. Remember they are not PUAs they don't know the psychology. We are a 1% group. - Really probably less than 1% I'm the only PUA in this city that I am aware of who's inner game isn't all fucked up, along with very consistent outer game skills. What's that 1 person out of the 447,840+ people who live in Atlanta.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... sites.html

Edit: I also understand why the women get so much in the divorce. Say the girls get married at 18 and got into a situation where they were entirely dependent on the man for survival, then they would be stuck in a marriage they are miserable in forever because if they left him they would be fucked. The children would be fucked. The 50% thing is pretty nutz, they don't deserve to maintain the standard of living he worked hard to obtain, but what would be the alternative? You can't have set amounts because people make different amount of money. I'd be comfortable with it if there was a time limitation on the payments like maybe 4 years, which gives her enough time to educate herself and get into a situation where she can stand on her own two.

If I had a daughter and she wanted to marry instead of work hard the rest of her life I wouldn't want her screwed if she was stupid enough to marry a loser (granted I'm too manly to just allow that happen but you never know)

I don't get what you are trying to say...

PRENUP TRASHED: Brooklyn court dumps marriage contract in unprecedented action
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/p ... 2013-03-11

You seem to think that learning about PUA turns you into Don Juan.

There is a lot of contradictions; "independence" and gender equality, want same pay but, "needs support in case she is incapable of handling her shit."