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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:09 am 
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so i keep running into the same problem. After i meet a girl and get a number close, i have a problem getting the girl to go back out. i text them, we flirt back and forth, get a little sexual, ask them to go out but every time they flake, then the next day they will text me again to see how the night went. i am getting really tired of this. i have no idea what i am doing wrong so please give me some pointers.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:15 am 
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How long are you staying in set before going for the number?

Talk me through your typical approach and interaction from start to finish.


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so i pretty much give my self 10 to 20 minute per girl. so one example is this girl that i met when i was working. she is the one who came up to me and started things with me. every time i went to work she would start flirting with me and we would banter back and forth. i would start some kino which she was ok with. so i told her that i was going out this weekend if she would like to join me. she said yes and said, " he let me get your number." so i gave her my number and she texted me. same thing happened, we went back and fort. The day that we all were going out i sent her a message that i was taking off a 9:30 and left it at that. at about 9 she texted me "so not going to lie i have already started drinking. where are you going tonight?" i responded with," oh look at little miss heavy weight. already starting to pregame." she came back with," yeah i had a long day at work. so i came home and made a screwdriver." (she is a waitress) so i said, " well you have to shake that ass a little more. licking screw drivers huh is that what kids are calling it now in days?" after that no response, i never texted her back after that either. the next morning though i get a text message from her " yeah i totally passed out at 9. then woke up and went drinking with friends. no shame. how aws your little adventure??

this seems to happen to me every time. i meet girls i can have kiss closes, number closes, etc. every time though it some how screw it up when it come to texting.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:05 am 
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Leave the sexual flirting til the date if you're no good at it. Try more push/pull during the first interaction. Be more challenging and polarising. Try going on insta dates more often. If you're clubbing, push for SNLs.

To avoid flakes, don't text too much before the date, unless she is texting you a lot. Then on the day of the date, text her about 2 hours before your date and say "hey sorry I'm running about half an hour late, I'll be there about 7.30". This reminds her about the date and gives her the chance to cancel.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:07 am 
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awesome ill try that thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:13 am 
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For starters, you didn't answer her question "here are you going tonight?". You didn't focus on meeting up with her. Instead you just gave her some dirty talk that she didn't like (I guess). Here is what I suggest you do next time:

1. Focus on going out, focus on the task of meeting up. No chit-chatting and flirting in the middle of logistics, trying to meet up and get people to the same location at the same time etc.

2. Since you don't know the girl for more than 20 minutes you can't expect her to go on a date alone with you. Older and more mature women would do that, but I suppose we are talking about young and insecure girls here. So get the right mindset - go out with friends and invite her to your party. Make sure to make it sound like you are having a lot of fun to attract her to you. Remember, offer value!

Well... That's it I guess.


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For starters, you didn't answer her question "here are you going tonight?". You didn't focus on meeting up with her. Instead you just gave her some dirty talk that she didn't like (I guess). Here is what I suggest you do next time:

1. Focus on going out, focus on the task of meeting up. No chit-chatting and flirting in the middle of logistics, trying to meet up and get people to the same location at the same time etc.

2. Since you don't know the girl for more than 20 minutes you can't expect her to go on a date alone with you. Older and more mature women would do that, but I suppose we are talking about young and insecure girls here. So get the right mindset - go out with friends and invite her to your party. Make sure to make it sound like you are having a lot of fun to attract her to you. Remember, offer value!

Well... That's it I guess.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:35 pm 
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How long are you staying in set before going for the number?.
Does this really matter ?? I mean i knw a friend n a lot of times wat he does is he just approaches a girl, tells her he finds her attractive n just hands her his card (on which his no. is also written). He rarely gets any flakes.
One time he even stopped at a signal, went to the girl's car (in front of his car), knocked her window, when she pulled her window down he threw his card in her car n said Call me. N guess wat ?? she called !!!
He didnt get flaked even then.
Does this matter how long u talk to a girl before u get her no. ???

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Yes, it matters, especially in a nightclub where that short 5 minute interaction with the girl is easily forgotten. The key to pickup is being memorable. Most guys would never dream of tapping on a car window during the day and giving a girl their card, so the style of approach and the fact that it is memorable is what makes it work. Also depends on other factors, such as his looks. And of course, to play devil's advocate, he is probably embellishing his success stories.

Remember, the goal of pickup is not phone numbers, it's sex. Women cannot fall in love with a guy's phone number. Your first priority should be isolating the girl, kino, strong eye contact and kiss the first time you meet her. You should only go for the number if logistics mean you can't have sex the same day.

If you're getting phone numbers and wondering why you're getting flakes or no replies to your messages, build more of a sexual connection with the girl through your body language. If you're doing day game, go on an insta date. Take her hand and lead her away. If you're dancing in the club, pull her towards you and get her grinding up against you.

Think about your best buddy. You're always slapping each other on the back, drawing cocks on his face when he's drunk and maybe even kissing his cheek when you're drunk. Humans need physicality to feel a real connection.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:29 am 
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You need to be forming a close connection with the girls on your approach. You don't have to stay in the set forever, but you do need a good connection if you want to minimize flakes.


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Yes, it matters, especially in a nightclub where that short 5 minute interaction with the girl is easily forgotten. The key to pickup is being memorable. Most guys would never dream of tapping on a car window during the day and giving a girl their card, so the style of approach and the fact that it is memorable is what makes it work. Also depends on other factors, such as his looks. And of course, to play devil's advocate, he is probably embellishing his success stories.


If you're getting phone numbers and wondering why you're getting flakes or no replies to your messages, build more of a sexual connection with the girl through your body language. If you're doing day game, go on an insta date. Take her hand and lead her away. If you're dancing in the club, pull her towards you and get her grinding up against you.
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My frnd says tht he does most of his approaches this way..though he also goes on insta dates often depending upon the situation (whether he himself is busy or goin smewhere).
But talkin abt this particular way, he hardly gets any flakes.. Its a binary situation for him.i.e either the gal wud take his no. n wont call but if once she calls she'll not flake on coming to date.(he gets the gal on date every time once she calls him)
While i ws wondering the flakes i get r usually like the girl will talk on sms, remain frnds but not pickup the call or will pickup the call but not come on a date etc.
Y does he doesnt get any flakes like tht even when his interaction is so short termed ??
or may b he gets flakes but doesnt tell me so he really is embellishing his suxcess stories ??
(btw he's gud in luks n well dressed)

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