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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Such as planning a crazy elaborate date, like you pick her up in a horse drawn carriage holding 12 dozen roses then take her to some crazy expensive restaurant....all designed to make her feel more for your as opposed to doing to show her how much you appreciate her.

The first is an example of being totally needy and desperate. You're seeking validation by trying to manipulate her into falling for you or getting her to vastly increase how she feels about you. Your essentially kissing her ass saying "if I do all these things will you like me".

The second is what a man does to show his girl how important she is to him. It's not validation seeking. It says "I'm going to give all these great things tonight because you are an incredible person and showing you how I feel makes me happy"

It's the difference between being insecure and confident. The insecure guy does shit looking for approval, the confident guy does it for no other reason than he wants to.

That's why when u make her do something in return for something you did for her, you think you're showing strength but you're actually being needy.
The theory makes sence. But I didn't get the second example in detail. Or should I put it that way: "what a man should do to show his girl how important she is to him?"

And you said confidence. From here the question arises: "How does one demonstrates confidence while in RS" since if you are just picking women, approaching them is confident, but once you know a girl how do keep showing her that you are confident.

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I guess the best way to distill it down is this: be altrustic (Google the definition if you need to). Do things for her that won't immediately, or ever, benefit you directly. Do things because they will make her feel good, not because you're hoping to get something in return.

Now I'm not saying to kiss her ass or hand her 50 bucks simply cuz she wants it, still stand up for yourself. But surprise her with a well prepared meal you cooked, take her to see that chick flick you hate but know she loves, buy her a spa package so she can relax. That type of stuff, and do it without being asked or hints dropped.

Now take all these things I say with a grain of salt. Obviously if your doing all these things for her and she doing nothing for you, something is wrong and you need to take a look at your relationship. Also, do these things sparingly you don't want to shower her with all this stuff and have her do nothing for you. But I think you'll be surprised what youll get back if you things for people out of the kindness of your heart with no expectation of payback.


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And going down the confidence rabbit hole is another subject entirely. Simply put though, confidence is in everything you do. Going back to your example, if you do something for her just because you want to, she'll see that as confidence. If you do something for her hoping for some specific reaction toward you, she'll see that as needy. Like my other example..planning a crazy date hoping to make her like you as opposed to that same date seeking nothing in return, meaning you don't give a fuck how that date will make her feel toward you.....it doesn't matter. All that matters is you enjoyed doing it for her


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And going down the confidence rabbit hole is another subject entirely. Simply put though, confidence is in everything you do. Going back to your example, if you do something for her just because you want to, she'll see that as confidence. If you do something for her hoping for some specific reaction toward you, she'll see that as needy. Like my other example..planning a crazy date hoping to make her like you as opposed to that same date seeking nothing in return, meaning you don't give a fuck how that date will make her feel toward you.....it doesn't matter. All that matters is you enjoyed doing it for her


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And going down the confidence rabbit hole is another subject entirely. Simply put though, confidence is in everything you do. Going back to your example, if you do something for her just because you want to, she'll see that as confidence. If you do something for her hoping for some specific reaction toward you, she'll see that as needy. Like my other example..planning a crazy date hoping to make her like you as opposed to that same date seeking nothing in return, meaning you don't give a fuck how that date will make her feel toward you.....it doesn't matter. All that matters is you enjoyed doing it for her


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I guess the best way to distill it down is this: be altrustic (Google the definition if you need to). Do things for her that won't immediately, or ever, benefit you directly. Do things because they will make her feel good, not because you're hoping to get something in return.

Now I'm not saying to kiss her ass or hand her 50 bucks simply cuz she wants it, still stand up for yourself. But surprise her with a well prepared meal you cooked, take her to see that chick flick you hate but know she loves, buy her a spa package so she can relax. That type of stuff, and do it without being asked or hints dropped.

Now take all these things I say with a grain of salt. Obviously if your doing all these things for her and she doing nothing for you, something is wrong and you need to take a look at your relationship. Also, do these things sparingly you don't want to shower her with all this stuff and have her do nothing for you. But I think you'll be surprised what youll get back if you things for people out of the kindness of your heart with no expectation of payback.
Totally bad advice.

If she's asking you to always comply to something, discourage her at random by giving her quid pro quo compliance tests. Be a challenge. Sometimes you comply without her giving you something in return, but most of the time you do NOT comply if she does not keep her end of the bargain.

If you're no longer a challenge, her testosterone goes down when she's with you. Probably, her testosterone will go up for a more challenging guy and that's when she starts to cheat.

The goal is not to make her feel good always. Nice guys do that. The goal is to give her a variety of random feelings so she's constantly stimulated with you and excited for you to keep the flame of love burning.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:51 am 
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My motivation to ask her to do my laundry is that I don't have a washing machine and she does. (and this will save me time)But I have a feeling that this is not the right answer you are expecting.
You made a thread in the Relationship Section with a different title instead of, "I don't have a washing machine. How can I make my girlfriend do my laundry?"

Moreover, the explanation of your original post says it all. I wasn't expecting any right or wrong answer. I was simply ascribing to the context of your OP.

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Idk how is it about the others but I try to maintain some fairness/balance in the relationship.

IMO I think this is the best way to maintain things healthy and you show that you are valuable and worthy when you don't sell yourself short.

HOWEVER the girl often contrasts me with sentences like: "if you love me you would not look for everything to be fair" "when you do something for people it should come from your true hearth" and things in that manner but with slightly negative tone.

In reality YES I like her and do things for her, but I just try not to over do it (as I was doing before) and I know if I over do it leads to bad consequences. I do seek for fairness balance and equableness, but occasionally I fall in situations where I get double minded.

Like last night for instance. She asked me to borrow some money to pay for her taxi since she has forgotten her wallet (it was true she really forgot it). I'd usually say something like: "OK cool but u'll need to do my laundry later".
And on this I was sure she would say again that I always look for fairness and if I want to do something I should do it from my hearth and not look for everything to be fair... blah blah...

The most constructive thing I managed to come up was to say her "ok lets walks a bit toward your place and if you get tired will call you a taxi" and eventually we walked to her place.

I know similar situation will occur in the future, so what best way to proceed with those. If I say her straight NO I come accross as "not caring for her" if I say YES I come across as "the bank" for her (applying the influence principle of commitment and consistency will give her next time the advantage to do it again and again etc.") and also I sell myself short and lower my inner worth. Whats the golden middle point for dealing with those?

Share please your experience.
You want a healthy, mutually supportive relationship? Learn from the guys who made the same mistakes as you are doing now. You don't want to sustain a one sided and abusive relationship with a manipulative woman just for the sake of sustaining it and be miserable for the rest of your life.

Cull out bad behavior and encourage good behavior. What you want is a very supportive woman who understands that both of you are on the same team; not a manipulative woman who wants to get as many favors from you and won't make an effort to reciprocate your time and effort for the relationship to work.

Condition her to be a very supportive woman. Meanwhile, cull out any manipulative tendencies from her end. Men are usually blamed when relationships fail to work so you might as well take the bull by the horns. This way, when your relationship fails to work, being blamed will have a proper basis. If it works, you know deep in your heart that you were 100% responsible for leading your woman to make your relationship work.

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Condition her to be a very supportive woman. Meanwhile, cull out any manipulative tendencies from her end. Men are usually blamed when relationships fail to work so you might as well take the bull by the horns. This way, when your relationship fails to work, being blamed will have a proper basis. If it works, you know deep in your heart that you were 100% responsible for leading your woman to make your relationship work.
Thats well said, but how do it in specific detail.

And yet over the question remains: "what a man should do to show his girl how important she is to him?"

Btw I don't feel she is being manipulative towards me. She doesn't asks me for favors and stuff for nothing just like that. She asked me to borrow money since she really needed it.

And I'm not clingy/needy toward her: I let her do what she wants and go with whom ever she wants. I even encourage her to be more social (since she is kind of less social). Even before we made out I purposefully introduced her to my social circle (guys and girls). Jealousy and clinginess is not for me. I have a wide social circle of both guys and girls. So (and I don't mean to brag) I can get a girl fairly easy, but thats not the point here.

I want to make her from modestly attracted to me to mega attracted. Because now (as I can see our RS is primarily based on our good will since the time we were friends).

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I guess the best way to distill it down is this: be altrustic (Google the definition if you need to). Do things for her that won't immediately, or ever, benefit you directly. Do things because they will make her feel good, not because you're hoping to get something in return.

Now I'm not saying to kiss her ass or hand her 50 bucks simply cuz she wants it, still stand up for yourself. But surprise her with a well prepared meal you cooked, take her to see that chick flick you hate but know she loves, buy her a spa package so she can relax. That type of stuff, and do it without being asked or hints dropped.

Now take all these things I say with a grain of salt. Obviously if your doing all these things for her and she doing nothing for you, something is wrong and you need to take a look at your relationship. Also, do these things sparingly you don't want to shower her with all this stuff and have her do nothing for you. But I think you'll be surprised what youll get back if you things for people out of the kindness of your heart with no expectation of payback.

Totally bad advice.

If she's asking you to always comply to something, discourage her at random by giving her quid pro quo compliance tests. Be a challenge. Sometimes you comply without her giving you something in return, but most of the time you do NOT comply if she does not keep her end of the bargain.

If you're no longer a challenge, her testosterone goes down when she's with you. Probably, her testosterone will go up for a more challenging guy and that's when she starts to cheat.

The goal is not to make her feel good always. Nice guys do that. The goal is to give her a variety of random feelings so she's constantly stimulated with you and excited for you to keep the flame of love burning.

Apparently you didn't go on to read the two paragraphs I wrote after my "bad advice" as you went on to reiterate the point of those paragraphs in your second post. Though I will admit you did explain it better than I did.

Like OP said though, she's not manipulating him. And honestly doing nice shit for eachother is what relationships are all about


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Heres the thing OP, if you want a healthy LTR based on mutual love and respect you can get that by constantly manipulating your girl, stop trying to constantly game the situation. More likely than not, it's that behavior that will ruin your relationship. Just chill out, stop over thinking and do nice stuff for your girl. Obviously of she does something completely out of line it needs to be addressed. But healthy relationships are all about give and take (without being a needy pussy). It's not about keeping score..."well I did 13 nice things for you this week and you only did 10, you owe me 3". If things start to become unbalanced you'll feel it and should do something about it. Don't be needy and try to keep a manipulative, tit-for-tat relationship.

And BTW, this is coming from a mature, accomplished man that has learned all this the hard way. I've been the pussy needy guy in a relationship, I've been the manipluator, I've been the manipulated. The most success I've had is by just chilling the fuck out and being altruistic.

Also, by Hellhound explicitly stating that a relationship will fail, he has demonstrated an overall cynicism about relationships that shade advice he's giving.


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Heres the thing OP, if you want a healthy LTR based on mutual love and respect you can get that by constantly manipulating your girl, stop trying to constantly game the situation. More likely than not, it's that behavior that will ruin your relationship. Just chill out, stop over thinking and do nice stuff for your girl. Obviously of she does something completely out of line it needs to be addressed. But healthy relationships are all about give and take (without being a needy pussy). It's not about keeping score..."well I did 13 nice things for you this week and you only did 10, you owe me 3". If things start to become unbalanced you'll feel it and should do something about it. Don't be needy and try to keep a manipulative, tit-for-tat relationship.

And BTW, this is coming from a mature, accomplished man that has learned all this the hard way. I've been the pussy needy guy in a relationship, I've been the manipluator, I've been the manipulated. The most success I've had is by just chilling the fuck out and being altruistic.

Also, by Hellhound explicitly stating that a relationship will fail, he has demonstrated an overall cynicism about relationships that shade advice he's giving.

Yes I agree with what you said. I was thinking today that being needy pussy and being gamy manipulative lay at the same end of a spectrum. There are just two different behaviors that indicates insecurity. Why a guy will be needy - because he will be insecure. Why a guy will be gamy - again insecure. Being sincere honest and vulnerable to some extend I think is the way to go.

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Btw I don't feel she is being manipulative towards me. She doesn't asks me for favors and stuff for nothing just like that. She asked me to borrow money since she really needed it.
You don't have to feel the facts as you presented them. You just need to see. For a one month relationship, she is setting the frame. Either you take the bait or not. It's your choice.
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HOWEVER the girl often contrasts me with sentences like: "if you love me you would not look for everything to be fair" "when you do something for people it should come from your true hearth" and things in that manner but with slightly negative tone.
As for making her feel special and important, the mere fact that you are here asking for advice on how to keep your relationship sustainable and healthy should be enough.

Don't go Hollywood style. It doesn't work. Been there, done that.

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Don't go Hollywood style. It doesn't work. Been there, done that.
What is Hollywood style. I'm not American.

I always have my mind on what should I do, I just use prospectiveness and try to see from as many different angles.

Sorry if that looks like trolling it was not interned to be such.

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What is Hollywood style. I'm not American.

I always have my mind on what should I do, I just use prospectiveness and try to see from as many different angles.

Sorry if that looks like trolling it was not interned to be such.
This is a typical Hollywood romance movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzii8IuL8lk

De Beers is a common sponsor of such movies.

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Apparently you didn't go on to read the two paragraphs I wrote after my "bad advice" as you went on to reiterate the point of those paragraphs in your second post. Though I will admit you did explain it better than I did.
Obviously, you failed to grasp why I highlighted a sentence and clause of yours in bold red and failed to read my last paragraph.

Again, to KEEP a woman, the goal is NOT to make her feel good but rather giving her the full spectrum and variety of emotions (including feeling good) that human females crave.

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