I've been in the game for about 4 months now. I recently made a disturbing discovery (It could be false). I was just looking at how we are percieved by the rest of the world. Not to my suprise, everyone thinks of us as Mystery with our little tricks and negs.

Being an RSD follower, I never thought much of what other people thought of PUA. Then I found this: http://sluthate.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14566

Granted it's a PUA hate site but it's worth pointing out. All that I am going to ask is how many of you experienced members (Chief, Charles Finely, ect.) get over 100 lays in a year? You guys have a shit ton of stories. 100 lays per year comes out to 1 lay in 3.5 days. I'm kinda loosing faith. I just want to know whether you guys are legit or keyboard jockeys. I think it's fair to ask.

I found The Blueprint useful, but the material essentialy totals to "Be Cool".

I've had instances where PUA has gone great for me and others where it wen't horribly. I think one of the reasons why I may be having doubts is a bit of failure with daygame. To be fair I haven't reached that point of indifference yet and haven't made many daygame approaches at all. I learned a lot from Conversation Escalation and The Daygame Blueprint recently.

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I find it funny and ironic you asking this.

1. Because i know some of these guys arent just after the numbers/ are after the proper woman that no one else can get.

2. you have only been in the game for four month and are already questioning it. IT TAKES MONTHS/YEARS to become anywhere near your full potential its a full lifestyle change especially for introverts.

Yes you will have guys who have 100 lays in a year its really not a tall order. I've laid 3 different woman in less than 24 hours thats my best achievment.

You say you've had some success and some fails - THATS THE LEARNING CURVE ! if you have good experiences already thats a positive. PUA's will get hate but how is a woman going to know your a PUA unless your totally obvious or tell her.

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I guess I have to respond since I was specifically called out here lol

I don't know how many lays I have under my belt, but it's definitely NOT in the triple digits. Having sex with many different kinds of women is important in order to develop and refine your wisdom and tastes, but having an excessive amount of sex was never a priority for me. Back when I was terrible with girls as a young teenage boy, I was desperate to be liked and to have any sort of meaningful intimacy. My desperation wasn't necessarily sexual.

The fact that I have had way more sex than the average guy is more than good enough for me. The fact that I know exactly what to do in order to get whatever I want out of my love life is more than good enough for me. I don't feel a need to bang a different girl every 3.5 days. I could if I wanted, but I have always had other priorities above that. And, if your number 1 priority is to sleep with as many women as possible, that's NOT a good thing. There are other levels of intimacy that you can explore with the women you already have had sex with and it's definitely worth your time to do so.

Back when I was just starting out, I would have been happy if I just learned a little bit of pickup and got like one girlfriend and stopped there, but things didn't work out that way and I ended up in the deep end of the PUA pool. That's why I did end up having lots of sex with lots of girls (by my own personal standards), but it was never really my main focus. My obsession was in (1) the process of becoming competent in whatever I wanted to do with women rather than just getting laid a lot and (2) experiencing all levels of intimacy with women because I just fucking love women. A lot. Sure, at one point I was delusional and set a goal to sleep with 100 women in a year or some shit like that, but that was just PUA community brainwash; it wasn't a real representation of my true desires.

In fact, I discovered that I didn't like it when I had shallow, meaningless sex with random girls sometimes. Sometimes I didn't even like it when I slept with a girl too fast. There was even one time I was making out with a girl and she said something along the lines of "let's just have fun tonight and forget about it in the morning" and it made me feel bad and I just left. After that I mostly avoided having ONSs and focused on FWBs. Thus FWBs became my "specialization" in pickup.

I prioritized all the different levels of intimacy (sex being just one of them) the same, so it's not like I got lopsided results by having sex with hundreds of girls while never actually being in love. I'd say my experience has been pretty balanced. I've been in love (the real deep shit) with about 5 different women so far, and with each of them I have had a different kind of relationship. They have been intense flings, FWBs, and exclusive relationships, with my current relationship slowly evolving into a different kind of relationship right now. Having real love with 5 different people in one lifetime might be ridiculously excessive to some people, but compared to how many partners I've had it's actually quite balanced by my personal standards.

It's unwise to focus on your lay count and it's mentally unhealthy to treat women like numbers. The process of dehumanizing women as just notches in your bedpost eventually gets back at you and eats away at you.

Now, I'm not suggesting that everyone who has tons and tons of sex partners is doing something wrong. Some rare people genuinely have a voracious sexual appetite without having a problem with sex addiction. If they have hundreds of lays, great! But most people aren't like that. Don't let the PUA community trick you into believing that you need to have a high lay count to be happy. You just need enough... to learn whatever you need to in order to get whatever it is that you really want.
Just a side note: It takes years for introverts because of the saturation of extrovert-centric advice in the PUA community. I was one of them. I now know that introverts can get good at pickup quickly if they just follow a slightly different set of rules. That's why I created the Seductive Introvert program.

On the other hand, regardless if you're an introvert or extrovert, it will take a long time if you have any social anxiety. That's different from being introverted.

Totally agree with your side note chief I ment to mention introverts as extroverts will most definitely find the transition easier. I'm an extrovert and haven't found it too difficult so far.

I like how you got called out though lol JUSTIFY YOURSELF TO US !!!! haha

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I likely can't improve upon Chief's post. It's quite thorough.

Personally, however (since I was also called out!) I'm 35 now and I've been 'in and out' of this for a a lot of years... (like, I dropped it whenever I got into a few relationships in the past, and picked it up again after... Actually stayed with it for my last relationship though).

I'm not the best at all this. Many people are better... I just know what works and what doesn't in a lot of situations courtesy of a lot of trial and error and learning from a lot of guys who knew a lot more than me. I still get rejected... Everyone does.

I'd also like to note that a girl every 3.5 days would be exhausting. Who has the time for that? Haha.

I wouldn't know my number but I don't think it's triple digits either... I literally am out to find a good girl at this point in my life... So I screen... I test... I'm selective (I wasn't always that way).

I'm not out to post numbers. I do not make money from this, and I got into it to help myself (I quickly learned back in the 90s that if you simply imitate what guys do in movies to get girls, it gets you laughed at - not laid

Seems like a scared or hurt individual that didn't get what he wanted out of the experience he had with the internship. I would only take small percentage of his word serious. Not that I know anything about RSD, because I don't. But he sounds hurt and bitter. He's not being objective at all.

I currently have a girlfriend that's given me good reason to sit on out and focus on other areas of my life for right now, but before that. I was probably getting around 2-5 lays a months. And thats with a combination of girls from Facebook, in person approaches, social circle, pof etc. So I say about 30ish lays a year. I even have friends that no nothing about pua or even have any interest that get about 25-30 lays a year. Thats not what its about though. For me its was always about being free and acting on the impulses that would bring me down when I didn't. I wanted freedom out of this and I still do. I also didn't have the best relationship with my mother so I believe that part of me has been chasing women hoping to find her within them. However, I didn't discover any of this material until well after i had been approaching for a few years. My dad was always approaching women when I was young boy; so I had the example since I was young. I was following in his footsteps early on as well. So i'm not so versed in pua material as I am in just life experience.

I've gotten friends, girlfriends, and even a career opportunity that I would of never had if I hadn't begun doing any of this. I've developed a deeper and stronger character as well. My presence is larger and I personally believe that I can do anything. And this all comes from the confidence one gets from being able to stare rejection in the face unscathed.

So i think it's a great thing to get into. But if you're just in it to get laid you're going to have a hard time. You need a why, and actual sense of purpose for why you're doing the things you do. I wrote about that in my book. Just have a reason and you'll be fine.

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In order to be objective, you have to question what you are following. That's all that I was doing.

Chief, I didn't mean to call you out. I've read your posts and respect you for them. The same goes for Charles Finley, fishnwomen, and a few other members on this site. You always have helpful advice, I just wanted to know how long it took you guys and whether you guys are legit.

Anyway, I think one of my problems recently is the opposite that I had initially starting PUA. When I started off I would go out and sarge without reading any material. Now the problem is that I'm not approaching enough. I'm planning on going to a mall with a friend this Saturday to work on daygame. I'm going to try to K-close right then and there.

Thank you for all of your responses. I don't know why but my motivation has went to crap twice in the past two weeks vs. none for the first 3 and a half months.

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What I have realized about PUA is that people accept guys who are already cood with women, but they can't accept guys actively trying, learning and getting better. You are supposed to get there by accident. So you better keep quiet about it. It's a sensitive subject (just look at what a feminist minority succeded doing to Julien). I believe it's because people don't know what it's all about, they are afraid you will get power over them (but again, it's ok once you have that power), and since they are prejudiced they think you will "trick them into having sex with you" and don't realize how stupid that sounds.