I have a date with a reasonably good looking girl. Met her online and we've been texting for almost a week.

I have a date with her tonight: Dinner/Drinks followed by a short walk to a dessert place (She is kinda busy so only has like two hours total to spare).

The big thing is that she is a virgin at 21. She has dated guys but has somehow managed to avoid the temptation until this point in time.

I'm hoping to change that, have gone through Chief's first date blueprint already but need as many suggestions as possible before the hour arrives.

Should I go physical/kino right of the bat? Give her a slight peck on the cheek as soon as we meet?

Any specific questions or topics that I should bring up to build rapport and comfort?

any help would be appreciated, thanks for all your comments in advance.

I've taken my share of virginities and they each gave them away to me without me having to ask. With one of them I kept telling her "no" because I was afraid she would catch feelings and go crazy. But she insistent and turned out to be just as crazy as I anticipated.

But I'm personally not sure that you're going to pull it with this current thought process you have.

The trick for me has just been to always treat them like every other girl. Treating like a virgin will result in them behaving like one.

So let me ask you.. What is it that you want from the girl? Just sex?

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You'd be better off if you didn't know she was a virgin. Treat her like any other girl.

The first date blueprint is a good start.

Kino early, and often, and make sure to kiss her if you want to see her again.

It is the first time I am meeting her so I can't really say but sex would be a good way to start. I can't really say what else I'd want from her based on one week of texting. Plus, I have another date or two this week so I'd prefer to assess my options before I make up my mind.

Could you go into more detail about the 'thought process' that you are referring to? Honestly speaking I don't really give a shit about her being a virgin, it is just one of the realities of the situation and I just wanted to put it out there before asking for advice.

I have been out of the game for a long time and therefore was just looking for some general advice.


Ok, so:

1. Time distortion - taken care of to the best of my ability in the short time we have available (going to two locations)
2. I am a good conversationalist, generally speaking, but just in case I will prepare a list of '10 qualities' i want in women and use it as food for conversation if need be. This should also set the right frame where I am qualifying her and not the other way round.
3. Kino escalation as much as possible - a) peck on cheek followed by compliment as soon as we see each other? (I have seen PUAs pull this off), b) incorporate kino into regular body language while talking (pat on arm etc.)
4. Sexual tension - Eye contact, tonality etc.
5. She lives really close to where we are going whereas I'd be getting there by car. Should I walk her home and then walk back to my car or offer to drop her home in my car (what if she refuses?)

Thanks guys for The comments. I had a great time today with the girl, talked for hours. Not as much flirtation or kino as i would have liked but let's see. She did say more than once that we'd be seeing each other again.

I didn't move for the kiss at the end as there had been minimal kino throughout the night but if nothing else works out I'll use this as a learning experience.

Tonight went well for my inner game and now I'm sure that i would be able to step it up next time. Kino escalation was the only aspect where I lagged a bit otherwise the conversation and eye contact/body language was great throughout.

Now I feel like I could have easily escalated more but I was just being a bit too cautious. Thanks again.

Ok guys I didn't have any specific questions before or comments so I was just scanning threads that have already been answered. However, I thought I'd post an update hoping to get any sort of guidance from you guys:

So, we went on the date last Tuesday, went well but I was a wuss and didn't kino escalate and didn't even go for the kiss. Celebrated hugging day in short lol. But all in all the date went well and we both enjoyed ourselves. The girl mentioned several times directly and indirectly that we'd be seeing each other again. For instance, she said 'I don't have much time today but we'd continue this after a small pause' and things like that.

I didn't have her number before so asked her for it which she enthusiastically gave (even spelled out her last name for me lol and made sure I had the correct digits). I hit her up 15 minutes later with an inside joke so she'd have my number too. Never got a response to that one, face palm.

Then, since she seemed interested and based on the fact that we had talked about her holiday plans on the date, I hit her up on Thursday wishing her a good trip back home and I outright, but with some attached humor, told her we needed to plan a date 2.


Got a long ass reply within 30 minutes in which she wished me well for the holidays, thanked me for the great night she had, told me that she was going to Be coming back from home on Sunday night but she'd be busy almost all week because of some school related stuff (I can verify this as true because we talked about this activity on our date) and at the end she said 'but we have to plan another date soon.'

So guys any comments, advice, where did I fuck up?

And what's the plan from this point onwards?