I am shy when it comes to going up to a girl or group I am to scared, so I'm the guy in the bar that sits there and for some reason girls approach me. I always keep the girl wanting more as shes talking to me but as soon as she gives up the number and the next day comes I fuck it all up. I need some help with the encoutering and the next day advise. let me know

Have you read the Game or the Venusian Arts Handbook?

For a list of Day 2 sites, check out the sticky in the Lounge by Tripp.

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i am finishing up the game right now i close the girl but i get all over the place with gettin the girl to come out i give no time inbetween how long should i wait and what should i do...i m going on to check out the the day 2 site now ...thanks for the halp

Thanks. Now take it easy and calm yourself...I can barely read what you wrote. You're not sure how much time before you call her to set up the day 2 site? Well for future reference set up the day 2 site before you get her number next time. As for how long to wait, I'd say the standard is 2 days.

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What you could do is something simple to get over your fear like roads 2-3 days rule apply. After that call her over for coffee say something like "I am really busy but I'm free for an hour want to get to know each other a little better" take her someplace simple and before the date have a list of five things to talk about. It's enough time to get close in the comfort zone I'm thinking C1-C2 but not enough time for her to put you into the LBJF zone. Just be interesting the next time you meet her can be a big date that way you'll know more about her. Also don't buy her drink or meal unless your sure it won't DLV

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As long as you're maintaining value, that you're the prize not her, I don't think there's any real right time to wait. In Style's Annihilation method he says don't call her unless you have a reason or a plan. It also depends how much value you've created on the initial meeting. If you know she's digging you big time you could wait a week and she'll still be interested. If not you'll have to call sooner. The Game is all about building interest, making yourself an interesting, awesome dude. When you call her up, don't be scared to use another opener. "Hey just wanted to get your opinion on something" (in other words, I WASN'T really that excited to call you, but I just got a random thought).

Roads is definitely right though, you should set up the 2nd date when you get the phone number. In fact, the 2nd date is the reason for getting her number.

i've been going through the same kinds of problems listed here. I can number close, but getting to the first date always presents a problem. One time I went out with a girl during the day, but I felt all the sexual tension from the night before was lost in the day.

I just find it a little strange to make plans when you first meet a girl, because you are SPAM your power and already letting her know that your interested. I dont know why that is if someone can clarify?

As for phone game, I def need to get better at it but I was at a pua summit over the weekend. I asked Gambler my personal question and he agreed with what roads said which was to establish a first meeting time and place when you number close her.

If this isnt the case, you can just send a quick text/call saying "Im heading out with some friends tomorrow night to (the pub, club..etc), you should come tag along and bring some friends if you want."

Good luck with your game, ill be needing it too!