I know this is a bit of a niche, but I like to ice skate and am pretty decent at it. At least, I can safely say that my skating is currently better than my gaming!

There are plenty of situations that can occur to provide an opening to, well, open. For example:
- Someone falls near me.
- Someone is clinging to the wall in fear.
- Someone is taking a picture of their friend.
Etc...

So, feeling like I could get some good gaming done, I went to the rink. And flamed out pretty bad.

Does anyone have any ideas about any good openers to use in the above situations? I mean, if a girl falls near me, I'll help her up, but I'm sure there's a great opportunity to open that I'm not using! Or if I see someone taking a picture of their friend, wife, whatever, I can offer to take a picture with both of them in it. But then what?

Have mercy on me, I just got out of an eleven year relationship and am feeling weak in my game! :p

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It doesn't matter WHAT is said, what matters is the WAY it's delivered and your vibe. If you have a smooth vibe that is flirty and you have strong eye contact & body language; you're being playful somewhat talkative, fun and confident, that is what matters. The girl feels the subcommunication inside of her panties - they get wet from the WAY you are, much more than the words you say.

Here's an example:

If you said to a girl "check this out, i have this hang-nail." Now that looks like the worst "opener" of all time. But in fact if it was delivered in the voice tonality you would use if you were flirting w/ your g/f, the girl will think it is interesting.

As for the situations:

(while helping her up): "dont worry i used to fall all the time it gets easier, have u been falling a lot want me to show you how not to fall?"

or u could bust on her: you're being nice by helping her up but then u could say in a totally joking manner, "i think the beginners rink is over there, might be more your pace"
perfect opportunity to get into immediate kino:
"i'll take your hand and make it easier for u, don't worry i'll catch u if u fall."
"what kind of phone is that. do u like it? i need a new phone. does it have X?"

Again you can literally say ANYTHING. It doesn't have to be charming or funny. If it's creative, great. If not, who cares: What matters is HOW it's delivered. Just go out and be chatty.

If you really want to be on fire when you get to the rink, open 1, 2 or a few girls before you get there.

You know when it comes to approaching women, I like to keep it simple. So I have this simple
model of starting a conversation with any woman which only has 3 possible ways to start
a conversation:

1. Ask a QUESTION
2. Make a COMMENT
3. Say Hi

So in your case, you can use all three.

For example, if someone just falls down, you can ask a QUESTION:

"Are you alright?"
"You need any help?"

Or you can make a COMMENT:

"I used to fall when I was just starting out...you'll be fine"
"Be careful the ice is pretty hard"

If someone is holding on by the edge, you can ask a QUESTION:

"Are you OK?"
"You need any help?"
"Is this your first time on ice?"

Or make a comment:

"Let me help you get started...here, hold my hand"
"You know when you relax and let go, you'll learn pretty quickly"
"You must be a beginner"

If someone is taking a picture - I'm not really sure why do you want to start a conversation
with a husband taking a picture of his wife, but you can ask a question like,

"Do you want me to take a picture of you?"

If they say yea, you can take a picture - and then say "Ok now the fun one - make fun faces"

And you create a fun moment between you two.

And when you give it back to them, you can say, "So do you come here often?" and you engage
them in a conversation.

The KEY is to keep it simple. The more you think about it, the more complex you'll make it - which
is a mistake that most guys do. They over-analyze what to say and mess it up.

Often, the thing to say is the first thing that crosses your mind. If she falls down, the first
thing that would cross my mind would be to go over there and say, "Are you OK?".

But I have to say, as always, if you don't feel comfortable about opening your mouth and actually
saying something because of anxiety, not a lot can help you. You can know the best line
in the world, but if you're scared of actually saying it...it doesn't do you any good.

Now I don't get that feeling from you, but in case you do feel AA about saying something
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This is pure gold Oceanx, thanks!
And both of those can be combined. Help her up, bust on her playfully, then immediate kino escalation. Perfect! Again, thanks!

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Thanks for the breakdown Black Phantom. Looking at it like that, I think I'm probably trying to figure out a whole conversation in my head prior to the approach, rather than just approaching with one of the above three options. I think I was feeling cocky last night (first night of sarging after loooon LTR) and thought that I would skip over easier goals like just saying hi to ten women. I thought, "hey, I'm a social guy. I can go straight for the conversations." I think tonight, I'll try just to speak to people using either a question, comment, or just saying hi. Thanks for this!
Well, sometimes it's a brother and sister, a friendzoned guy and a single girl, etc. Even if it is a husband and wife, though, I think just practicing being social and also demonstrating social proof will come in handy for later. And who knows, their single friend might show up later?

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Forget all that crap. When she falls down just jump on her and fuck her on the ice. It's what y'all want so go for it. The girls ice skating and having fun really need little fucking creeps like you dudes hitting on them. Girls can't go anywhere without you fucking dick heads invading their space.

There you all are walking up and down the malls desperate as fuck to get a girl. You drive by in your fucking cars hanging out your windows wondering what the fuck to say. A girl can't even talk to her friends or go for a coffee without you fucking jerks hanging around like bad fucking stalkers ready to pounce. No wonder we are hated so much and girls are scared and wary of us. The desperation from you dudes is enough to make them wanna puke in a fucking bucket. You have no dignity or class and just stand there like a load of bumbling fucking morons with so much mindless shit going through your heads that you don't even know HOW to speak to a girl normally. Haven't got a fucking clue because you don't treat them as your equals. That's why you get nowhere you stupid cunts.

You seem emotionally unwell. Perhaps there is a more appropriate forum for you to pollute?

Lol mastermind, don't feed the trolls!

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Some random moments while I went skating with a HB8 that didn't know how to skate. Had her laughed a lot, it worked magically


After she's shown some improvements:

"That's my girl! Keep it up and you'll get a call to skate with Dysney on ice in no time. "

''You look fine and ready to perform that figure now!'' (perform a silly figure if you're not a pro + a bonus if you really fall off)


Helping someone learn to backwards skate almost always works as well. That's such a smooth tactic.

''Let me teach you how to skate backwards...'' (Put your hands on her hips - kino)

''Omg I forgot I don't know how to skate backwards... but we're in a very powerful position don't you think? Feel our chakra's been released? Wait did you fart?''


At a certain point of the date I liked to tease her a bit by shoving her lightly trying to make her fall, then we started to really act out as hockey players. Kino alert!


''What do you say we drop the gloves and go at it?''