Ok, so here's my night. I get to a club/bar with some friends, one a good friend who is learning the game at the same pace as me. We have both been improving quickly over the last 2 months since we started. For example, I f-closed an HB 8.5 last week and my friend Stan Swiss has been kiss closing some HB 7s and HB8s as well as us both number closing. So there's the build up, we're not AFCs but we both have a lot to learn. Our record over the last few weeks has been impressive. Until tonight came along...

Let me start with myself. I have no issues over the fear of approach. I enjoy the sarging almost more than the sex. So the first thing i do after a couple of beers is approach a 5 set of girls, 2 being HB8s and 3 being HB7s. A good start involving prolonged conversation although the alcohol level of the girl made me think twice. Her mates seemed to be uninterested. I put it down to a bad set and moved on. This is where things get interesting. I approach a 2 set. The target being an HB 8 and the obstacle being an HB 5. I open well and get them talking. I find out they both have boyfriends (this doesnt put me off, it just changes the way i go about the sarge). After about 5 minutes the target is holding my hand and touching my arse. The obstacle could not have been more of a different extreme. She told me how my psych tests were obvious and stupid. She even started shouting and swearing, telling me how shit they were. At the same time the target is legitimately interested and flirting still. Every time i look for her validation she agress with me. The only thing that stopped me from telling the obstacle to get over herself and fuck off was the fact the target was still interested. Make the friends happy and you can move on with the target right? Advice needed...

Ok, so thats the first problem. It went down hill from there. For example, i open another 1 set (HB 8 ). I ask her advice and she says she wished her boyfriend would do the same in terms of asking for advice. I finished the opener and saying that before i go i had to try a psych experiment on her for some fun. She looks at me in disgust and says "do you try this line on everyone?!". Lame right? What did i do wrong?!

So now to Stan Swiss. He had the ultimate problem on his first aprroach (pain in the arse or what?!). He started with the "do i look gay to you?" opener. She replies with "have you read the game or something?". Any way out of that?

This is where Stan Swiss got into the situation that needs the most advice. A decent opener went well allowing the target to get very interested. Conversation of about half an hour (helped by me getting rid of a gay best friend and some annoying friend obstacles ). A kiss close proceeded at the second meeting which was about an hour after the first. Giving numerous opportunities for a number close led to nothing except more kissing. It sounds like the girl was drunk but i saw genuine interest there. The push pull technique on the dance floor was particularly impressive with some great results. She even brought Stan Swiss back to her building (with the gay obstacle back). Getting rid of the obstacle was achieved. Kissing happened again. After loads of attempts to number close Stan Swiss eventually just asked for it. She replied "i'm not gonna call you. You're not gonna call me. There's no point". How the hell did this happen?!!? What would you guys have done?

This is a long story cos i think it brings up a lot of issues. Answer any questions you want. This is totally open and advice would be more than helpful!!!!!! Thanks so much.

befriend the obstacle.

2 sets are difficult, you need to merge sets or have a wing or be so fucking good that the obstacle just leaves to get you 2 alone.

and for the rest, they are just shit test man. if she says "have you read the game" or "do you do this to all the girl"

I have couple of ways to handle all shit test:

Ignore and start into a routine.
repeat what she says in the girly voice
acknoledgre like "yeah baby" and start into a routine.
say to her friend, is she always like that?

your doing good guys, dont stop.

everything is a shit test man. Everytime shes talking shit, dont react, just dont give a fuck and continu talking,

Actually, i don't remember in what thread it was, but I think L.A. Tripp or one of the moderators said that if they ask you if you have read the game, you should be truthful about it as that could spark up a wonderful conversation.

Just simply explain them that you read it because you wanted to get better at meeting women. It is not a bad thing, and re-frame them to be shallow if they think it is.

'Do you use this line on everyone?'

Either go playful:

'Yes but with you I'm genuinely curious'

Or IOD:

'Wow, you must have an ego the size of a planet. You seriously think you're that special?'

Obviously you need to calibrate. If she's being playful and asks you 'do you tell that to all the girls?', there's no point in IOD, she's just having fun. If she's bitchy - well, that depends. In my experience playful still works better, but try them both out. What works for me may not necessarily work for you.

'Do I look gay?'
'Have you read the Game or something?'
'Sounds like I should; is it a book of advice for gay people?'

I don't think there is a single right way to deal with shit-tests. Some of them come up very often, so you may find it useful to have pre-programmed responses to the common ones (like the two above). You'll only get that through practice, so just keep at it, you're doing good. If you can't come up with anything, use one of the generic responses space mentioned, they're good too (props up space!).

As for the #close - what do you mean 'multiple attempts'? What happened the first time he asked for the number?

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Play dumb on the reading...and just start asking her about the book. Then throw in some C&F on her trying to pick YOU up...of course thats after she's told you what the book is about

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As for the multiple number close attempts, stan swiss says that he didn't feel that the pick up was going to go any further than a kiss close, even an f-close would have been a fool's mate. he offered up opportunitys for her to ask for the number, mentioned he would be going for sushi later in the week, etc. he would rather have gotten a number because he felt that a date/second meet up outside of the first meet location may have led to more sex in the long run.

Me and stan swiss went sarging the following night with more successful pick ups, another kiss close for stan swiss but unfortunately that was cut short as another friend of ours was thrown out of the club. A few number closes for me and a date set up for later in the week.

anyways, as with all learning pua's there are leasons to be learnt and always improvements.