The summer has come to an end. Autumn has arrived. The falling leaves represent my plummeting hopes. I've got nothing left expect contempt and disgust towards women.

I spent all summer chasing girls. It was fun and lighthearted to begin with. Then I got caught in two really bad experiences. The first one was with some chic I went on a date with. I thought there was plenty of chemistry. I fell for her, she obviously got bored of me. I got dumped and it all ended with me feeling really bitter and vowing never to get too friendly with any bitch. Playing games never came naturally to me, but I vowed that I would. I would rather drive them insane than be my natural caring person and get hurt.

A few weeks ago I met another girl. Slim, sexy, my height. We got chatting and just bonded. That night we spoke until almost three in the morning then we parted. Then came the texting. Fun and games. Now I'm being cool. I've learnt from my past experiences. So I don't give her too much. It seems to be working. We go to a festival together. I'm really enjoying her company. Things escalate and we are kissing and holding hands. I really enjoy her company. We take a moonlit walk along the canal. It feels nice caring about somebody. On our third date we fuck....long and hard.....and plenty of times during the night. We do so again when we meet a fourth time and a fifth. And I'm loving it. We go out and have fun in town, and then return back to my apartment for passionate sex.

And then...the bitch turns funny. First she stops replying to my texts. She wont even answer my calls. After a few days I have to hang outside her apartment before I get to speak to her. Shes talking all crazy shit, sayings shes tired,saying I'm disrespectful. I'm like what the fuck?? Where is this coming from. I try to calm her down. She wont even let me touch her. She walks away. Why didn't I see this coming. Once again I've let my defences down and now I get feel like shit. More days past. She wont text or even reply when I do text.
Her number is now dead, she might have changed it.

I'm thinking what the fuck has just gone on. Now I'm hating really hard. Women are cunts. They deserve to be mistreated, because when you show them kindness they walk all over you. I have had enough of this bullshit. I swear I am going to make it my mission to fuck women up emotionally and mentally. I want them to suffer. I am practicing the cruelest techniques that are out there because I want to kill those cunts softly.

I've got another 'coffee-meet' with another chic this Saturday. But my agenda has changed. Before i would have gone just to have fun and hopefully connect with her. Now I'm going armed with tricks. I want to slowly drive this new girl insane. Its not going to happen to me again. And once I'm finished with her I'll move onto the next bitch.

Hate to be honest with you dude but your coming on far too strong...

I mean hangin outside her flat is just creepy so no wonder she has blocked you number. Yeah use fucked holy shit well done but it doesnt mean your married to her. First rule of the game - A GIRL CAN AND WILL LEAVE YOU WHEN A NEWER SHINIER TOY COMES ALONG. thats a fact thats why you getting clingy and desperate forced her to find a new toy.

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which underlines the truth that they are superficial dumb shallow creatures that deserve to tricked, lied to, cheated on, and emotionally abused......cos if wanting to see more of someone you like makes me clingy and desperate, then the only alternative is to see them as less of human beings and more of objects that can be used and discarded.

Same girl?
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I'm trying to help you here, man... not be condescending... But here's my advice:

You're coming on too strong. You're going to fast. You're doing something CONSISTENTLY wrong with girls to creep em out... To me it sounds like you might be getting a little clingy. You may also be saying something wrong or offensive via text?

I would need to see the texts, I guess.

Whoa, whoa there Elliot Rodger, Might want to tone down just a smudge.

Sounds like you like to keep your girls like your groceries ....in your trunk.

All kidding aside Bro, here is how I see things going down.

Chump opens girl..... good job.

Chump builds attraction.... good job.

Chump bangs girl ..... GREAT job.

Sex feels so good, girls are all soft and smooth and junk, I want to be up her ass every minute from now on!

The needy clingy guy comes out...... BAD!

Stop that shit!

To girls clingy guys are like wedgies, they just can't pull them out of their ass fast enough and they won’t care who’s looking! No matter how painful.

Yes, actually calling and texting someone every 3 minutes does make you clingy.

Neediness is a desperate need for affection.

To be needy is a guy who needs attention no matter what the cost. A person that doesn't have much confidence and will bug the living shit out of some poor girl just for a little attention. They are always suspicious, aggravating and generally become a creeper. NOT A TURN ON!

Just slow your roll next time Bro, as Charles says, your just over doing it.

If you think about it for a second, how can a man be completely in love with a woman that he’s just met? And even if you dated her a few times, you hardly even know her. That’s exactly what women think about needy men. “He doesn't even know me… Why does he call me so much? He must be some loser”.

Calling a girl again and again, leaving her messages, sending flowers, telling her that they can’t sleep without seeing her. This is completely insane! But many men still do this.

Showing neediness only makes women like you less. So if a girl starts losing interest in you, your typically getting clingy and behaving needy, this is not the solution, it's the problem.

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I don't know you and so could be wrong but....

It seems like you have a lot to work on in loving yourself. It seems you're in a vicious cycle of:-

1. Low self-esteem, need to feel validated.
2. Girls can validate you, this helps but is more like a band-aid than a real fix (this also leads to clinginess)
3. Girl picks up on clingy-ness and gets turned off (and why wouldn't they? clingy-ness isn't attractive it presents you as low value and the way I see it if you can't love yourself how can someone else?)(I've also been on both sides of this, with girls who are overly clingy and being there myself we all do it I guess from time to time)
4. Anyway after she breaks it off this leads back to step 1 but now you have a whole lot more resentment towards women.

I think you need to work on loving yourself and separating your ego from this. Yes girls can do some messed up stuff (as a lot of guys can do) but the trick is to let it roll off. Instead of being that guy that gets uber hurt because that one girl ended things and feeling down about it, refocus your mind. Learn where you went wrong (some great advice in here) so that you don't make the same mistake twice!

You'll get there man, I've been single a month now (my own choice) and I'm just starting to get the hang of it but I feel a lot healthier because of it and it's opened up a lot of clarity in the areas of my life that need improving.

No. I don't get it. After sex, like the next morning, I would send a few texts....then I would go silent for about a day. Then I would text again and she would reply instantly and we would meet up that evening. I was in control. I wasn't being clingy.

Then all of a sudden the relationship just changed. Its like she just slammed a door shut. No warning. No explanation. Nothing. Days went past and I didn't hear from her. How does any guy prepare for that? How many guys can really say to themselves "oh well, its been a while since we heard from each other, but I'm not going to bother making contact".........really??

You say its creepy going to her apartment, but what was the alternative since she just wasn't replying or communicating in any other way. So what would any of you have done? Would you have just left the whole situation just hanging in the air and moved on?

Should I of used a mental time frame, like "she's fucked off. I'll wait about two weeks before investigating?" Maybe I should have taken a quick holiday somewhere and experienced a new environment instead of stewing in my neighbourhood wondering whats up.

My weakness is that I actually genuinely care about the girls I meet. I am desperately trying to destroy that natural affection I have because it causes me nothing but grief. Its time to get more Iceberg Slim on these tramps. Another weakness that I have is that old-school relationship mindset. I still subconsciously approach every girl thinking that we could have a great relationship. I have begun to realize that each encounter with a woman should be viewed as a discrete experience. Momentary. Enjoy the here and now, but don't try to plan to far ahead with such a random variable.

Anyway its over now. But long live the game!!!!!!!

Did a bit of solo sarging yesterday. Saw this cute number walking in the opposite direction to me. This chic was a cute as a kitten. Abit on the short side, but hey, give a brother time to get his groove back! Used a bit of deception and convinced her that she was heading in the wrong direction. After a bit of fluff talk we ended up sharing a booth in a cafe. I switched to Mr. Socialable and the conversation developed. Number close. Texted her later on. Instant response. Game on.

Absolutely! She doesn't reply because she chose to be alone, at least for the time being. It doesn't matter what the reason is, you have to respect that. Sometimes women need some time alone to evaluate the situation. Have you ever heard that absence makes the heart grow fonder? It could also be that she just got a shinier toy. The reason doesn't matter. If two weeks go by and you still haven't heard from her, you could try to get in touch again. If no answer, move on and never look back!

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Totally agree with threadstarter... Woman need alone time and i feel thats a strong invasion of someones privacy going to there apartment if they have ignored you.

Anyways i would move on personally

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Same shit happened to me in a similar way last month. I totally feel you bro. I was like wtf is wrong with this chic?
In my case the only reason i got her somewhat interested in me again was because I have a lot of social proof from her social circle.
All I can say is dont give her a fucking inch. Don't invest your time in trying to figure out what went wrong.

These women will fuck your ego up. Try to bang her friends and keep it a secret, let her friends talk about you in a good way. That is the only possible way I think you will ever have a chance of banging her again.

I strongly suspect you have abandonment issues which can be traced back to your childhood and possibly problems with your parents. In terms of how to deal with it, see my post on emotional investment which I will quote from a previous reply in February this year: