It just doesn't make any sense dude. They are so much in love with you that they literally run away at the sight of you walking towards them? Fricken (insert famous actor/celebrity here) doesn't have chicks just running away when they are walking around.

If you have this amount of social proof you should be able to point at a chick, stare her in the eyes and motion her to come hither.

If your story is true, at all, and these two girls ran away giggling then I'd say it's more likely that you have the reason wrong than that they are just scared of you. If they were intimidated you wouldn't even get eye contact. They would be acting the same way an AFC does if an HB10 were to walk up and talk to them. Yes, they'd be awkward, they wouldn't know what to say, they'd be staring at their shoes, but they wouldn't get doe eyes and run away. And if you could find one AFC that would do that, he would be the extreme minority.

Here's another novel idea:

I once had picked up this girl in a dance club, went dancing, got to know her, etc. I then proceeded to blow myself out by flirting with another woman (I saw her see me). A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Instead of building social proof, how about slowing it down, and focusing on a couple people rather than a whole bunch? Ever thought that maybe once one set runs away or doesn't respond well, everyone else notices?

Guys, This post is very dated for me. Ive found where I was going wrong. I need to open faster and talk more. Rapport building.

And for the people who don't seem to believe what I'm saying, I've worked in restaurants and bars for years. Many of the 10s in town are coworkers. I know a professional flirt when I see one, and is see them be normal then get nervous at some point. I'm a genuine PTSD anxiety case. I KNOW what nervous looks like. It's all good, I just need to be cooler and talk more. More smiles and waves and warm approaches. Girls get shy, it's a fact, but how you guys don't imagine that might happen to me is comical. I'm just working through how to make both parties feel comfortable when the attraction is preexisting or comes on quickly and the girl goes shy. I will be calmer and more confident if I had a understanding of how to address a nervous girl so we can both calm down.

And if you still don't think I make girls good-nervous, it's just because you haven't met me or heard me speak.

No one I've read is saying that girls don't get shy.

I am saying that other than maybe a small, tiny fraction of girls (and if you only count attractive girls, even smaller) no girl is getting shy enough from just a smile that she is going to run off giggling. And if she was that nervous and shy, that you literally just flipped her stomach inside out and made her shit her panties, she isn't going to be smiling and making doe eyes to you as she's racing away.

I'm not trying to call bullshit on the story. I'm just saying that in my opinion it's WAY more likely that if this is really the case then there is something else here that you are missing. It's not just that you are so awesome that your aura literally chases off any girl in a hundred foot radius. That's just how it is. Imagine you were out with another dude, and you saw two girls giggling and running away from him and he pulled you in and said "dude, I'm so awesome that those girls had to run away because they couldn't handle it". What would be going through your head at that moment?

And the way I'm looking at it, if you are so awesome that you have that affect on women, for every girl that runs off, you should have five begging to be your personal cock sucker. If that's not the case, then maybe you are under a misapprehension.

I think both can be true. Girls do really like me, but due to my fears related to a lack of recent sexual experience when I go from cool guy in the bar having tons of fun towards something direct and intentional, if I'm not comfortable, it shows. My genuine guess is that when I decide to approach, my smile disappears. That's more then enough to change a girls's reaction.

I have a history of passing up the kinds girls and situations I literally never imagined before I found self-improvement. The night I first wrote about I passed up two three ways: a young couple who approached me, and I choked, and a pair of great girls nearer my age who were more subtle. I didn't realize that one until the next day.

Because of the pressure and the explicit sexual overtones of meeting in a bar, I'd rather stick more to my coffee shop game. I'm much more confident at it, girls are more relaxed and I actually meet, get numbers and dates from the day. I'll keep my nights for just having fun and days for finding girls I vibe with. Seems like the rational step for me now. I shouldn't game for SDLs if I'm not confident at doing it.

I think both can be true. Girls do really like me, but due to my fears related to a lack of recent sexual experience when I go from cool guy in the bar having tons of fun towards something direct and intentional, if I'm not comfortable, it shows. My genuine guess is that when I decide to approach, my smile disappears. That's more then enough to change a girls's reaction.

I have a history of passing up the kinds girls and situations I literally never imagined before I found self-improvement. The night I first wrote about I passed up two three ways: a young couple who approached me, and I choked, and a pair of great girls nearer my age who were more subtle. I didn't realize that one until the next day. I was chilling with them, they joked about loving eachother so I started to push them together to kiss. They giggled, whispered to eachother, pickup up my glass so they can clink it with theirs, then they smiled at me and got nervous and quiet. I bailed, but in hindsight it was all very clear. I'm not mistaken about this. I'm just a terminal pussy.

Because of the pressure and the explicit sexual overtones of meeting in a bar, I'd rather stick more to my coffee shop game. I'm much more confident at it, girls are more relaxed and I actually meet, get numbers and dates from the day. I'll keep my nights for just having fun and days for finding girls I vibe with. Seems like the rational step for me now. I shouldn't game for SDLs if I'm not confident at doing it.

Fear of the pussy.

Girls can smell that a mile away. You project a non-dominant, non-masculine, creepy vibe. Girls are laughing or giggling and ejecting away from you because what you're projecting is not congruent with your intrinsic fear --> You have a fear of the pussy vibe.

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^^ Yep. It's likely that girls can see you're faking it til you make it.

Girls hate fakes/posers. They can smell bullshit quicker than you would cum if you put your dick in their pussies. So, about 10 seconds then.

Stop acting, stop posing, stop trying too hard to impress, stop caring about BS like social proof, just be genuine and escalate physically. If you're kind of a nerd, admit it. Girls love that shit. Above all they love honesty. 95% of guys lie because they feel inadequate.

Just stop thinking of a come back- read first.

I am greatly disappointed as to how you feel you are doing something "wrong/bad" hence leading to low lay counts. You need a change in perspective lil champ.

I read the first post from the original poster and it reminded me of myself. I still run into the same phenomenal situations, almost every single day...

Naturally, I am a man of few words, and calculated movements. I think before I speak, and when I do- all people listen. I call that power, sure call me an attention whore?

Power is being able to just say you want it, and you get it. Power is people listening to your every word, viewing you every action, and looking at every detail of your outfit. That attention, that unique individual- is not low value. That is a man of value. Power is when those who associate themselves with you, are in turn lifted from their status to one that is greater. When you give one a handshake, they tell their friends or family about it, and its not just a handshake, its a deeper much more meaningful connection.

You ascertain that "high value" is an issue... I call it a gift. There is just something about you, as there is with me and only 1 other guy I have come across- and it can be different- that makes you stand out. You aren't a rat in the rat race. You are a completely unique individual. And when that unique individual, learns to work with what they are given- when you learn to accept some things about yourself... you become profound. You can turn lust into sweat and passion into heat.

The less one knows of whom they speak- the more powerful you are. They, a woman, or man can look into your eyes and see your ambitions in life. They can look into your eyes and see the fire, the action to be taken, the action that has been stalled and with purpose.

I started reading into PUA since 6th or 7th grade and have changed justly due to it. But I found, that my character, that is the true thing to improve. And with such thought- I made conscious efforts to think before speaking. Read up on Banter and have lines for all things for all situations. Anyone read a dictionary...?

Intelligence is attractive, even the illusion of it, if you do not possess it is powerful.

I remember I would meet a girl and talk to her for a few moments and then leave as I naturally had things to do. But what I also did naturally by the end of 8th grade/summer time, is look into their eyes intensely and never look away. Smile or smirk if necessary, and ONLY sparingly.

You see, to me, my very presence is gold to those around me. It is what I believe and has been reinforced by others, that I do things, say things, twist things in a manner to which no one else would...


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I have eyes on me. I dress the part, love the outfits and matching and accessories etc, it is what I love. And when I approach, I am what you call "too high value," to "powerful" (the way I see it).

I would approach and they would grab onto their friends shoulder as they try to fathom what is going on. As they try and piece together who they are dealing with. I love pulling off all white outfits, all black etc and dressing like they do in magazines, down to the very littlest of details. And it works. My tone, so they lean in. My gestures so it amplifies my words. Kino- phenomenal. Words- shocking. Intriguing.


I can talk to someone for a moment, get what I need and then walk out. Tomorrow I will see them again- they will run. I mean literally turn around and walk the other way because they weren't able to rehearse what to say when they saw me. And if they cannot just turn around, as they walk past me, I see them look into my eyes and look away, then look back and away and back again- as if they know I am looking at them, and they know I know they are looking at me. They will be on my left or my right, and they will stare into my eyes I will not break that contact, tension (what I always play on) and their necks would almost snap from walking by me and turning their head so as to subconsciously make sure their eyes meet mine when we are just 1 foot away from each other next to each other walking in opposite directions.

You know how powerful that is? To have someone think soo highly of you just by looking at you, or having heard about you, or your first interaction? I would smile/smirk away at women like this. I am that serious, guy.

I say something...I don't bullshit, I won't regret it. I mean it. "I want you." They'll be shocked, their heart will beat like an African War Drum. When I see them again, I want them to be afraid. I want them to be uncertain. I want them to wonder wth, I don't know what to say next. I want that reaction.

I want to look at a women and her turn away because she can't hold that tension. I want her to break the silence, and I want her hand on my shoulder first, I want her to do everything that shows shes off, shes excited, shes wondering, intrigued, scared, heck I want her to think HOLY SHIT he's talking to me...

or HOLY SHIT he is walking this way,QUICK HIDE ME (as she hides behind a friend of hers and peeks as you walk by again).

Its as though there is a reputation that precedes me. One that I enjoy as much as the attraction built because I am, and will always be(my ego here) the only man that can make the feel this way. I am the man they will never grow tired of, because I am that unique guy. That bawwws- as someone put it.

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It is not an issue of high-value as to why you don't get the results you want. It is not an issue of that whatsoever. It is good to be valuable. To be needed because as long as someone needs you, and as entwined you are within their life, has hard and reckless of them it would be to remove you as it would cause destruction to their current way of doing things.

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Are you a "serious guy," not comedic? Calculated words, movements etc..."introverted?"

There is a different way to play the game- You already have that aura about you that states, look at him, you already have all eyes on you. You already have- what it is part of the game, that teaches you to overcome- for other boys/guys/men/gentlemen.

You are that gentleman (I think). Play on it- its lovely to do so. I love whispers about myself. That mystery- a necessity, that women want to figure out.

Kino is key. Your tone is key. Your smile and eyes are key. Your words...say whatever you want as long as you dont pay visual attention to your hands on her. Your eyes should always be on her. Your smile, always when she disapproves of your advances.

Try a conversation about randomthinghere. As you do that, have your kino not relate whatsoever. What are the results? You should be playing on tension.

Power, intelligence, few words, eye contact, kino etc are all a creator of tension.
You have no problem, you must just mend the way you interact with women.

Its getting late, I have a young ladies house to head to. Ask questions- I'm not here often, but when I am, I'll answer.

I know your situation. Its not an issue. Its gold. Its perfect. But it does take a different "game" to work with, since part of the game makes up for things you seem to already have.

From Pounce

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Excellent post Pounce but OP cannot kino escalate yet based on his later posts in this thread. He's nervous as hell around girls (although he's trying to project something else in this forum) and girls can sense his hesitation for kino and probably the weakness in the tone of his voice.

OP needs to work on his inner game, grooming and health.

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I still don't get how this translates to being "too high value." If you're naturally that "cool" I'd expect evidence somewhere besides your own thoughts and observations. Forgive me for being skeptical, but guys, especially guys in PU, are terrible at reading signals. So when I read an observation about an IOI, I take it with a grain of salt unless I see something else to prove it.

Evidence that this is the problem would be:
Some girls would beg to sleep with you outright.
Some girls that you get would say something like "You know, you really intimated me because you're so cool at the bar."

I haven't read that here. I just can't see how girls rejecting you, or being afraid of you equals they want you. If we can look at things that way, a guy can have a girl outright reject him and he can say he's too high value for her. What next? A 40 yr old virgin claiming this as the cause of his virginity? It reminds me of a guy in college who told me "Every girl I've ever been in a relationship with has cheated on me because I'm too perfect and they don't feel good enough for me."

Ffs guys. This post is dated, and I've said so 3 times now. I got laid last night, had another hookup earlier this week and my kino is great. The problem, as I already said, twice before, was my hesitation and nervousness in opening girls in a busy club. I look bold and confident until I actually went into my head once I thought about picking up the girl. I have a newer mindset and am progressing well.

Stop posting unless you have something to add.

Don't quote my shit like I'm resurrecting threads. Above my post is A FAR lengthier post that brought the topic back up. So quit the childish shit. If you have an issue with me stop pming me asking for advice then singling my words out. Ffs

I apologize, I didn't actually mean to quote you. And I only PMed you once regarding something specifi about rsd. Also, I guess you didn't read the part about me being offered sex.

OP, I'm glad that you're getting aggressive with your kino to resolve your hesitation and nervousness. Consider these posts from us as boots on your ass to get you going and moving forward. It's like that drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket or the drill lieutenant in Band of Brothers. Peer pressure works to a certain degree.

What's important is you're finally getting laid.

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