Do you think they are accurate. I mean he even talks about Neil Strauss agreeing with it all.

http://www.thematinggrounds.com/the-mat ... p-artists/

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Yes, yes, and yes. I wholeheartedly agree with this.

This is one of the things that are at the core of what I teach. Again, yes. The PUA community may have birthed the "manosphere" and an assload of MRA fags. They're bitter about women having power over them when in reality they REALLY need to check their privilege.

I probably understand and see the privilege I have as a man because I already experienced what its like to NOT have privilege as a racial minority growing up in the Bible Belt of the US. White dudes cannot possibly have any idea. That's just Mystery and his followers.

Other teachers like Zan Perrion and myself focus a lot on mutual understanding. Yup. It's also because women actually doll themselves up to look their best when they go clubbing. Therefore, such places will naturally draw more of our attention. Another reason is that many guys rely too much on liquid confidence to talk to women. Focusing on bars and clubs to meet women is not just a PUA norm - it's a societal norm.

And it's only among the "worst" places to meet women if you're looking for something more meaningful than a fling. But not everyone is looking for something more meaningful than a fling. That's just Mystery and his followers. And those Simple Pickup dudes. And that Keys to the VIP bullshit.

OK, I guess too much of our community does actually think of number-closing as a success. But, for a newbie who isn't used to talking to women, that can definitely be a small success worth celebrating. Not necessarily worth marketing, though. Thank you. I believe most of us give a ton of free information. I and other PUAs who actually have something to sell post free advice on forums, give free info through our mailing lists, answer questions for free all the time, give away free content all the time, post free content on their blogs (like my blog here), etc.

Near-free? How about $9 for an ebook valued at $47? I'm also letting people join Seductive Introvert for just $1 if they buy my ebook. I've actually been losing money on this shit so far. A lot of marketers will try to prey on the PUA community members' wallets, but there will always be those of us who genuinely care about helping people first and foremost. The same goes for any other industry.

Actually, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE in the industry gives out a bunch of information for free. Maybe except for the ones who focus primarily on the marketing and profits side of it like that Tao of Badass dude. But maybe even he gave out free information and I just didn't bother taking a look.

On a related note, I will soon be releasing a free PDF on how you can make sure to have a perfect date with a woman that ends in sex and guarantees a second date, so keep an eye out for that, guys!

The truth is, though, these guys on this "Mating Grounds" website is just another chain in the link that is the PUA Community. For marketing purposes a lot of people will try to separate themselves from the rest of the PUA Community, criticize the community, pretend to have an "outside perspective," but the reality is that, if you're teaching something related to men being successful with women in any way, you're part of the PUA community.

Thank YOU!

I am a body language guy, I have studied the differences between males and females from how their brain works, how they see, behave, what attracts them, etc. Many of us are in fact HUGE on helping out guys in fact I've given out far more information, I have a confidence course right now that I was SPAM... Many of us give away A LOT of information in fact for 3 years all I did was give out information with no strings attached, just a blog, some threads here on this forum.

Those of us who truly want to help the community have focused on personal development and helping boys become men, and improving those same people into their best self while in fact supporting them on anything from a career to weight loss to just what to say to women.

I personally don't believe a number means anything but as chief inferred you should be happy with your small success as it is evidence of progress, it's simply not the long term goal.

He's looking to carve out his niche in the community and create a separation of I'm different but there are in fact MANY of us who believe PUA is about personal development, educating men on women, and teaching social skills.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Yeah, I'd guess that the MAJORITY of dudes who teach pickup stuff these days try to do the same thing.

"PUA doesn't work! Try my thing instead!"
It's still PUA stuff lol

RSD is among the biggest companies in this industry and they always try to separate themselves from the rest of the community like some kind of isolationist nation refusing to participate in the UN. Their material is still considered part of the PUA community.

The bigger sexualization-focused dudes like 60 Years of Challenge and Aaron Sleezy put a lot of effort into capitalizing on this angle as well. They even participated on the PUA Hate forum a lot when it was still up. The truth is that their material is very much part of the PUA literature today.

Both Zan Perrion and Johnny Soporno refuse to call themselves PUAs (with Johnny going so far as to calling himself a "recovering PUA") but their work has had huge significant contributions to the community.

Anything that helps bring men and women together is part of PUA, in my opinion.

All of these "Anti-PUA" guys are pretty much just anti-MAINSTREAM (aka anti-Mystery), and they take advantage of the impression that people have that PUA is the same thing as Mystery Method.

One thing about Richard La Ruina (Gambler) and Adam Lyons I really respect is that they didn't try to be isolationist. They always strived to actively serve the community rather than trying to start a new cult outside of it. They developed new ideas and just added themselves to the pool rather than trying to piss in it.

This post must be one of the best in a long time. Is it possible to post this on RSDNation and save the poor souls stuck there?

Untrue article. Another company trying to bash the community with lies to take your money someway. Everyone puts out the other schools viewpoint in the most Untrue extreme examples that are not substantiated by proof.

There is no cure for self inflicted retardation.

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I dislike the kinda articles because they are full of untrues, that newbies read and take as facts.
Lie 1. Books like sperm wars, red queen, secret garden are old school recommended pua literature to teach understanding of female sexuality. Phrases like "Leave her better than you found her..." "Give value" don't sound like it's about you getting over on someone.
Lie 2. What material talks badly about women? It's even said "she's not a bitch..she's just a bitch to you." In fact, PUA material typically puts most of the blame on the MAN, hence the see everything as a shit test mentality, if she cheats on you it's somehow your fault, you're responsible for everything that happens. Now I don't agree with this but this is the exact opposite of "toxic and angry towards women." If someone has a link to a PUA site or book that talks about women badly, please share.
This is new school ideology. Mystery stated it's fool game if you sleep with a woman quickly and that a number is just a bridge to meeting again. Yes, simple pickup and some other youtube channels have popularized quick number closes and lays, but that's new school and bs in my opinion.
Bars and clubs are recommended because they have the most girls for practice. Yes, statistically, most people meet their partner through school, work or social circle. But many new guys don't have a social circle, and few people would recommend they approach at work. So that leaves bars. Now, a guy CAN do day game at grocery stores or mall, but are these better places? And why?
Oh...

I find this shit hard to take seriously anymore.

They are right, a lot of the puas you meet are strange and socially inept to begin with. And a lot of the pua material is also weird, mostly the mystery method stuff and nlp. And, most of the community are newbies. Put these 3 facts together and you get a lot of weird guys talking about weird shit.

The main fact is if you suck with women, and you aren't planning on becoming a billionaire or the next Brad Pitt, pick-up is really your only option. What the fuck else are you going to do? Before pick up you where fucked. You had basically nothing.

It is the biggest collection of knowledge about this stuff. A lot of it is crap, but some of it is great. Guys have gone out and done millions of approaches, for over a decade and pooled their insights together, to give us a wealth of knowledge. To disregard it is absurd.

Pick-up is by no means normal. Going out and approaching thousands of women is not normal. It would only be normal if everyone did it, by definition. But who gives a fuck if it is not 'normal'. Most normal people have shit lives, live in a fucking matrix and have little success with women.

As a side, every pua who I have met who is 'good' has actually been a very cool person and a joy to talk to.

Do what serves you best.

(The term pua is a bit silly, so it is no wonder nobody wants to be labelled it these days)

PUA is, as a whole, completely ridiculous. Its a bunch of marketing ploys from dudes who want to sound cool (buy my ebook!), or weird terms like "kino" and "negging" and "C&F" and all this other fancy mumbo jumbo people use to sound cool. Most of it based on theories and wishful thinking, rather than empirical evidence, but theres no scientific or empirical evidence to give it merit. Every once in a while you come across something that actually works, or makes sense, but most of the actual useful stuff you take away isn't the terms or some systematic approach that works 100% of the time, but a greater intuition to interact dynamically with the women you come across, rather than a rigid set of lines or rules, that in the end make you awkward and transparent. But guys have nowhere else to go for this sort of thing! I've been there, digging through askmen.com for some magic secret to understanding women, only to be given this bullcrap about what they'd like to hear or see from you, and god knows what women think they want isn't whats good for them. And i've been digging through this site only to find a bunch of sexually frustrated assholes who spend more time at each others throats about who's system works then actually seducing women. In the end i've come to only one conclusion, men don't understand women any better than women do, and women don't understand women.

Finally i've come across actual scientific evidence that maybe backs up 10% of the stuff on this site, done from actual blind studies with the scientific process. I mean you can just straight up look up Elaine Hatfields study if you need proof that no girl will ever say yes to sex if you just straight up ask her for it. Theres also studies documenting what we all know, that women tend towards men who already have women after them, and what only some of us know, that there is a divide between the mind/body connection of female sexuality and a girl can simultaneously be wet for you and disgusted by you. If you put enough monkeys in a room with typewriters, they'll eventually make shakespeare, and if you put enough sexually frustrated men in a room trying to understand women, they'll eventually come up with something of substance. But that doesn't mean the vast majority of it shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, and a shot of liquor.

Amen

A lot of the pick up shite makes me cringe and feel dirty to the bones. but can't deny that it has gave me a love life that I am happy with.

Don't know about everyone else but i love women and don't manipulate them. Pick up has made:
- work on the fundamentals (B style, grooming)
- get rid of bad unattractive habits (body language, bragging etc)
- women' psychology ('i will go home with you but we are not having sex?" ***yes im having sex***)
- have an attractive lifestyle (do cool shit)
- opened me up to the self help world (im currently learning business and have big rich ambitions)
- gave me access to similar friends on the same goals (local lair etc)

I just really hate all the guru charlatan's, politics and fake marketing preying on the vulnerable

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