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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:04 am 
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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.


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You are right, they are hard to find. Ok. Whatkind of insight where you hoping to find? Perhaps a secret underground location that no guys know about but horny hb10s are just milling around waiting just for you?


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So then what's the point of working hard on improving my pick up skills if the chances of finding a hot single girl who is willing to be seduced are slim to none?


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How do you know they're not single?


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In all seriousness... they're out there, but yeah - they're rare as a lot of them have boyfriends or are married.

Hell, a lot of ugly chicks are too. People hook up.

I would advise you to aim for 5s, 6s, 7s... get your game together and if you come across 8s and 9s, you'll be more prepared.

They're not unicorns.


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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
Out of all these venues, how many women did you approach?

I get the impression, your angry. I get it. All the years of waxy build up, I'm sure it's frustrating.

You wonder how, being such a nice guy, none of these women seem to want to strip off their clothes and rub their girly parts all over you, when all these other D-bags way worse than you are doing it all the time!

Blaming women for not wanting to be seduced is ridiculous, they ALL want to be seduced.

That's just your bitterness showing.

You need to change. The anger is not the path for self improvement, but a a path that sets you up to failure.

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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
Out of all these venues, how many women did you approach?

I get the impression, your angry. I get it. All the years of waxy build up, I'm sure it's frustrating.

You wonder how, being such a nice guy, none of these women seem to want to strip off their clothes and rub their girly parts all over you, when all these other D-bags way worse than you are doing it all the time!

Blaming women for not wanting to be seduced is ridiculous, they ALL want to be seduced.

That's just your bitterness showing.

You need to change. The anger is not the path for self improvement, but a a path that sets you up to failure.
Thank you for telling him what he needed to hear much more nicely than most would have.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:57 am 
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In all seriousness... they're out there, but yeah - they're rare as a lot of them have boyfriends or are married.

Hell, a lot of ugly chicks are too. People hook up.

I would advise you to aim for 5s, 6s, 7s... get your game together and if you come across 8s and 9s, you'll be more prepared.

They're not unicorns.
Actually, even 6s and 7s seem to be kind of rare too. And no I don't want to have to sleep with some mediocre girl looking or a fat/ugly chick.


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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
Out of all these venues, how many women did you approach?

I get the impression, your angry. I get it. All the years of waxy build up, I'm sure it's frustrating.

You wonder how, being such a nice guy, none of these women seem to want to strip off their clothes and rub their girly parts all over you, when all these other D-bags way worse than you are doing it all the time!

Blaming women for not wanting to be seduced is ridiculous, they ALL want to be seduced.

That's just your bitterness showing.

You need to change. The anger is not the path for self improvement, but a a path that sets you up to failure.
It's very frustrating for a number of reasons. For one, I am very physically attractive. Two, I believe that i am a relatively accomplished person compared to most individuals my age around the work. I have a Bachelor's degree from UCLA a black belt in martial arts, have made significant gains in overall muscular size and strength from havign doen almost a year of consistent weight training with moderate to heavy weights. I know more about human anatomy/physiology compared to a vast majority of individuals even though I am not a healthcare or medical professional (although that is basically my goal). Third, even though I have no friends that i can hang with on a regular basis, I am still a good guy with reasonable social skills and a really good sense of humor. I mean, why is all of that not impressive enough to girls?


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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
First off, there is something wrong with you. You are doing something fundamentally wrong when establishing relationships with people, not just women. Find out why. Look at your relationships with your family, and friends, of both sexes. Ask the ones you are close to what the most annoying or off-putting things about you are. Also, it does not matter how impressive you are, at all. What matters is your ability to control a woman's emotions and give her POSITIVE, exciting, fun, passionate feelings.

Lower your standards immediately and go for easy targets. Get laid, a lot. Establish friends with benefits relationships with girls that you don't think are "beautiful." Learn to blow their minds in bed (meaning completely FORGET about getting yours and focus entirely on getting them off.) Learn what works, get good at it and comfortable with it. I particularly like girls with child-bearing hips and a bit of meat on their bones. Not fat girls, but slightly chubby ones, you know, the ones that are just out of range of being hit on by every guy at the bar because they are 10 lbs over the limit. Our society is fucked up and these girls are essentially told that they are not beautiful when they are, and blowing their minds is fun as hell, plus, it makes me feel good to let them know that they are beautiful.


As soon as you can do this, you will instantly be more confident and feel more masculine knowing that you can please a woman in the bedroom. It will be like a little secret that women would be lucky and excited to learn about you, but not one that you tell people. This will translate into a better understanding of women, both in and out of the bedroom. You have to empathize with them to be successful with them. Your success with women will suck regardless of how hot they are on some douchey number scale. The only women you will land, as long as you continue with your worldview, will be desperate ones, which means unattractive and/or completely batshit insane girls, not that all unnatractive girls are desperate, but that the desperate ones are usually unnatractive. You have to work your way up. You have to be confident and love yourself yes, but you don't deserve "hot girls" until you know how to please a woman with the intent of making her happy.


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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
First off, there is something wrong with you. You are doing something fundamentally wrong when establishing relationships with people, not just women. Find out why. Look at your relationships with your family, and friends, of both sexes. Ask the ones you are close to what the most annoying or off-putting things about you are. Also, it does not matter how impressive you are, at all. What matters is your ability to control a woman's emotions and give her POSITIVE, exciting, fun, passionate feelings.

Lower your standards immediately and go for easy targets. Get laid, a lot. Establish friends with benefits relationships with girls that you don't think are "beautiful." Learn to blow their minds in bed (meaning completely FORGET about getting yours and focus entirely on getting them off.) Learn what works, get good at it and comfortable with it. I particularly like girls with child-bearing hips and a bit of meat on their bones. Not fat girls, but slightly chubby ones, you know, the ones that are just out of range of being hit on by every guy at the bar because they are 10 lbs over the limit. Our society is fucked up and these girls are essentially told that they are not beautiful when they are, and blowing their minds is fun as hell, plus, it makes me feel good to let them know that they are beautiful.


As soon as you can do this, you will instantly be more confident and feel more masculine knowing that you can please a woman in the bedroom. It will be like a little secret that women would be lucky and excited to learn about you, but not one that you tell people. This will translate into a better understanding of women, both in and out of the bedroom. You have to empathize with them to be successful with them. Your success with women will suck regardless of how hot they are on some douchey number scale. The only women you will land, as long as you continue with your worldview, will be desperate ones, which means unattractive and/or completely batshit insane girls, not that all unnatractive girls are desperate, but that the desperate ones are usually unnatractive. You have to work your way up. You have to be confident and love yourself yes, but you don't deserve "hot girls" until you know how to please a woman with the intent of making her happy.
I have asked everyone in my family what's wrong with me socially. They all have said that there is nothing wrong with how interact with anyone whether it's a guy, girl, child, adolescent, a young adult who is around my age, a middle-age person, elder, etc. In fact my parents have noticed how much I've grown in my social skills; especially when my mom went to a 2-day wedding event with me last week that consisting of over 500 people of all ages and noticed how fantastic I was with everyone I socialized and danced with. Everyone in my family has been saying to me that I just need to get out there more and keep trying.


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Guys keep saying that there are beautiful girls everywhere. However, according to my experience finding a girl who is not only an HB8 to an HB10, but also single and willing to be seduced seems almost impossible for me to find no matter where I go. Believe me I have tried all kinds of venues including: clubs, parties, being in foreign countries, other states and/or cities in the U.S., academic classes, extracurricular classes and clubs, stores, gyms, etc. I am a 26 year old man who has never had a girlfriend or even done it (if you know what I mean) before. I feel like I want to give up. Also, save it with the cliches such as you gotta believe in yourself, never give up, or be an optimist not a pessimist because its all bullshit. Results, talents, intellect, wisdom, resources, and work ethic are what truly count in reality. Otherwise, please give me an intelligent and rational analysis or a truly wise insight to how I think.
First off, there is something wrong with you. You are doing something fundamentally wrong when establishing relationships with people, not just women. Find out why. Look at your relationships with your family, and friends, of both sexes. Ask the ones you are close to what the most annoying or off-putting things about you are. Also, it does not matter how impressive you are, at all. What matters is your ability to control a woman's emotions and give her POSITIVE, exciting, fun, passionate feelings.

Lower your standards immediately and go for easy targets. Get laid, a lot. Establish friends with benefits relationships with girls that you don't think are "beautiful." Learn to blow their minds in bed (meaning completely FORGET about getting yours and focus entirely on getting them off.) Learn what works, get good at it and comfortable with it. I particularly like girls with child-bearing hips and a bit of meat on their bones. Not fat girls, but slightly chubby ones, you know, the ones that are just out of range of being hit on by every guy at the bar because they are 10 lbs over the limit. Our society is fucked up and these girls are essentially told that they are not beautiful when they are, and blowing their minds is fun as hell, plus, it makes me feel good to let them know that they are beautiful.


As soon as you can do this, you will instantly be more confident and feel more masculine knowing that you can please a woman in the bedroom. It will be like a little secret that women would be lucky and excited to learn about you, but not one that you tell people. This will translate into a better understanding of women, both in and out of the bedroom. You have to empathize with them to be successful with them. Your success with women will suck regardless of how hot they are on some douchey number scale. The only women you will land, as long as you continue with your worldview, will be desperate ones, which means unattractive and/or completely batshit insane girls, not that all unnatractive girls are desperate, but that the desperate ones are usually unnatractive. You have to work your way up. You have to be confident and love yourself yes, but you don't deserve "hot girls" until you know how to please a woman with the intent of making her happy.
I have asked everyone in my family what's wrong with me socially. They all have said that there is nothing wrong with how interact with anyone whether it's a guy, girl, child, adolescent, a young adult who is around my age, a middle-age person, elder, etc. In fact my parents have noticed how much I've grown in my social skills; especially when my mom went to a 2-day wedding event with me last week that consisting of over 500 people of all ages and noticed how fantastic I was with everyone I socialized and danced with. Everyone in my family has been saying to me that I just need to get out there more and keep trying.
How much do you let your parents direct your choices or make decisions for you? Say you wanted to do something and you mentioned it to your parents and they told you they thought it was a bad idea but after considering their advice and deciding against it, would you continue to do what you wanted?

Also, are you protective of your mother?


I have noticed that some men have trouble forming or maintaining relationships with women when they already have too "strong" of a relationship with their mother, which oftentimes can supercede and get in the way of other relationships.

In general, if your wife and your mother get in a fight, you always take your wife's side (within reason of course). This is called being a good husband. But this rule also extends to girlfriends as well, depending on the seriousness of the relationship and the seriousness of the conflict (which can be more than a fight, it can also be that they are both pushing you to do opposite things). It is a sliding scale, and you have to make sure that while you should love your mother, you shouldn't need her in the slightest nor should you protect her (assuming your father is in the picture to take up that role). It is as simple as making a choice between your mother and another girl, and if you give too much weight to decisions favoring your mother then you will hit a brick wall at some point with every woman you meet. It sounds to me that in your case you are hitting a brick wall pretty early on, and I wonder if this could be factoring into the problem.


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You have a high opinion of yourself but I remind you that so do most idiots (I am not calling you an idiot). What I mean is that sometimes the way we perceive ourselves isn't exactly true. You seem to have got validation of your opinion by relatives and strangers so maybe you are indeed all the things you think you are. I could see different reasons for things to be going wrong.

My first question would be about your expectations. What is a HB10 or HB8 to you? Do you want a beautiful woman or are you looking for a bit of more substance? Maybe that woman that is intelligent, talented, ethical and just great isn't the prettiest girl around but you will never meet her cause you're only interested in the hottest girls. If you just want the hottest girl that will sleep with you then my practical advice would be find other PUA members to hang out with that can take you where those girls are.

You sound angry and I understand if you're frustrated but you don't want to be another Elliot Rodger. Either you're doing something wrong and you can't see it or your expectations are impossible to meet. The world isn't against you but you might need to bend a little in order to get what you want. You can pm me if you like and we can talk more about what you're looking for and what I perceive from you when we talk. I'm a woman so might pick up on something that you haven't yet.


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I tend to agree with the spirit of your post. I too have noticed a striking decline in standards of dress, weight, and attractiveness and it can be pretty disheartening. I also think the phony New Age movement has to a degree infested what used to be a much more rational and process-driven body of knowledge.

That being said, these are theoretical discussions that at the end of the day don't tend to accomplish much. You can nothing change the amount of attractive people nor can you eliminate the calls for endless positivity to any great degree. Therefore, you have to focus on what works for you to help you achieve your goals. I would say one thing is to assign a great deal of thought on where you live. The truth is there are certain areas where attractive people tend to congregate much more than others. This is often overlooked because so many find it ridiculous to move based on such factors. Why would you not pursue home field advantage so to speak? Most people only list the major cities, but there are plenty of smaller cities that never make the lists.

Second I would say that your perception is somewhat skewed by the fact that single women don't often go out alone, they are always with someone. Therefore they blend in with those who appear to be taken. This is creating a false ratio in your head that is leading to more warped thoughts about a lack of available prospects. Since you have no reliable social circle, you are also limiting yourself to those who are out and about. Many, many people meet through mutual friends of acquaintances. Not having a circle is probably hiding about half the prospects from you.

Finally I would just echo the fact the single, desirable women are a rare commodity. If they weren't, there would not be websites like this. There is also a timing component in everything. Today's relationship is tomorrows breakup, if you have happen to catch it at the right time. And that part is pure luck.


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