Hi guys, I've been wondering this for a while now. I've been into NLP for a year or two and am discovering it to be used in so many aspects of life in some form or the other. Polititians in their 'vote-me' speeches, priests in making a 'believer' out of you, senior management in smoothly controlling people working for them, sales men in convincing you to buy something you don't need (yah! of course) and most of all advertisements (eg. BUY ONE get one free, HURRY SALE, are some basic examples....its gets pretty complicated with the subliminal voices, pictures, etc)

Anyway, here's the point I'm making: I've noticed NLP being used in a particular kind of porn style too. And to me it seems to have 'unscripted' seduction unlike most production porn. Now I'm not sure how 'unscripted' they are but its hard to find evidence (psychological evidence i.e.) that the girls have been paid to to this. See Net Video Girls on any porn site [\b]. I think this guy has some out right skill in what he's doing. And he repeats the same thing over and over and over again with every girl; the fact that he is able to do this repeatedly make me believe he is one skilled manipulation expert. From an educational point of view I think there some NLP to learn from netvideogirls.

Do it make sense to anyone who appreciates NLP or am I on crack?

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Yeah dude, the thought came to me the other day. I think it's within the realm of possibility although i'd say that unless you can break down his communication and can see the patterns, i'd say they're paid actresses.

I'm going to do a break down of his communication one of these days. But I do see a lot of patterns in there. I being someone who understands NLP and behavior I feel like the girls are pretty genuine. Their inhibitions, nervousness, signs of being attracted to the guy, signs of being aroused; its hard to fake that with every 'actress'.

Having said that I know most people will not believe that theres som NLP going on but the repetitions of embedded commands makes me believe otherwise. Now I know many of you are not pro-porn but I htink there's some thing to learn in netvideogirls videos. Will attempt to do a break-down soon. Its 45 minutes of conversations but I won't lie and I've seen some of his stuff and I think its genuine.

Dude...I know you say not to believe everything you see on TV but there are some real usable patterns in his stuff. Just today I got a girl fr a bar imaginigng I was picking her up from the gym and taking er out on a vacation on the beaches with the waves passing through her feet. She got all aroused and is pretty excited to meet me again. I know I know.... be careful where you tread but thats the whole idea of having a NLP discussion forum on a PUA foru right....how to get the girl in bed.

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i don't disagree with you that there are useful patterns, its just like how watching bangbus is the same thing. and you learn a lot of handling LMR....what i'm saying is they are actors. those girls & the guy are all getting paid to shoot those videos and act as if its all real. of course not everyone gets to be a porn star or make it to net video girls because they don't make the acting look as real as the ones that get the parts.

why don't you put up an ad on craigslist for a job, and then in the interview do what the net video guy is doing. lets see how quickly you end up on the news for being a craigslist perv, lol

fair enough. no proof yet to say otherwise so that could be very well true.

Now just for a second, lets consider the minute possibility that they are not paid actresses and are just pretty girls who are wannabe models with normal sex hormones running through their body and who find themselves attracted to a guy by him self in a lonely room/house. With such an assumption there are several noticeable patterns this guy uses meticulous and sequentially to handle situations like:
*building rapport and a good vibe
*building attraction
*sexual escalation through verbal communication
*future visualizations
*handling disgruntle girls
*taking control/charge of the situation
*DHV
*LMR
*presenting options (both of which are the same)
*being the prize that she wants to pursue
*etc
now this guy does all of this without even laying a hand of the girls and with their full consent. Again all of this under the premise that they are not paid actresses. If on the other hand they are paid actresses then none of this would be true.
That's a little patronizing there don't you think? If you don't agree that's perfectly fine. You don't have to ridicule.

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Oh dont worry. My first time watching a bangbus episode i was stunned and actually started taking notes. I'm pretty sure they got the techniques from NLP and pick up because they have to make this stuff look real. But i say its fake because its just too easy and smooth for these guys. But as they say, "field test it"
When u get some free time, im goin to come up with some routines of my own based off of their patterns and see how it works

i hate to shatter an illusion here but bangbus isnt real its scripted, and heres a dead giveaway most of the time they dont use condoms! in the us porn stars are required to have an std test every 30 days as a standard if they fail the test they cant work, if its something incurable then they are struck off and cant work ever... for example cameron bay who last year tested hiv positive, the makers of bangbus have also confirmed its staged. in the uk thy have something similar called 'faketaxi' which is a similar premise but in the back of a taxicab, again they dont use condoms and as a standard the uk follow a similar principle in regards to 30 day testing. plus the girls who appear on it all appear on other porn sites

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no questions about bangbus it never seemed real to me. I haven't seen much of it but the overall quality of 'seduction' is quite poor in bangbus. NVG (even if scripted...which I haven't got a proper answer yet) has much better quality and style of seduction. The first 50% to 75% of the video is just talking and nothing too physical. If you google 'NETVIDEOGIRLS - LAUREN CALENDAR AUDITION' in the first 1 minute he says he uses NLP and embedded commands. Now after watching that you could still say that its scripted, but I'd urge reading the girl's body language and facial responses. It seems kinda authentic....

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i'm going to repeat once again..this is why excessive porn watching is very bad for your mental health. you start making this stuff your reality. all websites have a disclaimer stating that the videos are just fantasy acts that are scripted. none of the material is real. all actors sign a waiver indicating this as well.

dude... no hard feelings but you are making unnecessary assumptions.

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firstly don't make assumptions such as for someone to understand a sport he/she watches that sport excessively.

Anyways, I recently had a chat w a chick I had almost hooked up with a while ago. I say 'almost' because when I made an advance she stepped back and I thought I did something wrong...but then I had a chat with her today which changed my opinion. I'd had used some NVG NLP stuff too. future visualizations, embedded commands to take charge, heavy on imagination and anchored some uber happy feelings to some trance and dubstep music. for the first 30 minutes I didn't even lay a finger on her.... and this is what she said about those 30 minutes: (music 'frequency' was something I had used as an anchor)

Her:
I wanted to tell this to you in a long time
I LOVE the way YOU enjoy MUSIC
Me: Im all ears
Her: it caught me
Me: thats cute thanks. Yea I was totally in the rhythm then
Her: I have never seen anyone enjoy and dance that frequency of a tone i know so well
Me: i'm telling you...if you had joined me...you would have had one HELL of a time
Her: its not a sorry. but I Just Couldnt at that time..
Me: so are you saying you knew that music frequency really well too
Her: Yes. I got every bit of that tune we know
Me: yea...that's fine. you and your love shit and confusions
Her: there was some Music frequency there that Happy song. and other Dubstep stops )) woah
Me: ohh...you mean when we were chatting?
yea yea...
Her: I fell in love with the way you enjoyed music Seriously Man! it was going through me solid for atleast a week. nothing like anything else
yes. when we sat down at the sofa.

now to get her to the trance state I was running some NLP stuff on the fly which also included commands I'd heard on NVG. Now you are free to make whatever assumptions you want.

Examples of some of the commands and questions were: what kind of a person are you? what do you do for fun? what do you want to be remembered as? this calls for someone to take complete control of the situation, lets say for a moment you were to pretend to be a naughty person, do what ever comes first comes to your mind dont even think about it, on the left side is all the good stuff and the right is all the bad stuff, everything is cool you can jet out whenever you want, imagine you are making love to the camera, you know how guys are, etc etc

if you want to say that all of this has nothing to do with NLP then be my guest, you are free to believe whatever you want to. The only point I am making is that apart from the obvious pornography I think there is some educational value in NVG. You have to look at it from a slightly different (almost platonic) perspective.

PS: an in case some of you moral policemen think of NLP as an undue advantage, it is. no doubt. but you just use that advantage wisely to make the girl feel good. I love a statement RJ or RSDTyler made which goes something like: "always leave the girl feeling better than when you met her"

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your taking this a little too serious. i never disagreed with you that they don't use NLP patterns. i just said that the videos are scripted, so don't think that the patterns are actually working on the girls. they are paid actresses, so they act and follow along as if it working. that includes acting to put up resistance as well.

i never once said you watch excessive porn either. i just said, this is why you don't watch porn excessively because then it creates a reality to your brain, which then causes some reverse psychology to the way your body reacts to the act of sex/porn.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... lLfYXBDUG0

there goes a link to a discussion similar to what im trying to tell you. it has been brought up many times before.

and i think it was either this forum or maybe a urology one that i saw many articles talking about porn & erectile dysfunction.

Thanks for sharing that link Darkie. Indeed there is some serious debate on the main question that I have raised. I can completely understand why there are people equally on both sides of the debate. I'll give you credit that I did look at with a more open mind than before. so Thanks. After reading through the whole forum a few possibilities emerge to me:
1. NVG started off as authentic amateur production but as it grew and formal production professionals were involved there could have been mechanisms in place to make it 'appear' unscripted whereas there was some level of scripting in place. Kind of like an 'alternate reality' mechanism many TV magicians and mentalists use to make their show look more authentic. Eg. Derren Brown says things to his audience behind the camera and shows reactions to something else on camera; result: viewers are mind fucked. Irrespective Derren Brown is a fantastic mentalist.
2. The guy running the show none-the-less is an expert seduction artist. I believe if someone can act the role of being someone so well, at some level they are really good at being the role or have a solid understanding of the role.
3. The reactions of the girls are authentic for most times. They probably have some modelling experience etc, but are still getting seduced in a step-by-step manner.
4. ... I'm going off to sleep now, have a long day tomorrow.

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