Read Magik's guide to kino some time ago. Very helpful. But I have one question: how to escalate kino to holding hands without making wired moves?

I have relatively good kino with this girl, she slaps my arm when I tease her, touches me when she talks, I put my hand on the low of her back to lead her around, touched her hair, she asked me to touch her legs and check her soft skin.

My problem is the "big leap" to holding hands. I touched her hands before when she complained they were cold, to check her nails, when we were petting animals and to teach her how to use chopsticks.

Do you know any move to escalate it in a natural way? Some move to hold for a bit and see if she complies?

Lol.

I regularly hold hands with a girl within five minutes of meeting her. There is no "big leap". Are you walking? Just take her hand. Don't be ABRUPT and just grab it. But slid your hand next to hers, and then slowly press your hand against hers. If she likes you at all, she'll go along with it. It's not a big deal.

Anytime I suggest we move somewhere, I take her hand. I rarely have a girl pull away from that. Even girls that end up not being interested in me. It's so safe she'll not only do with any guy she's into, she'll even do it with a guy she finds interesting and safe.

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I think you're just lacking confidence. Holding hands is so easy, you really just have to take her hand at some point when you're walking

Girls are used to holding hands they'll even hold hold hands of other girls they're less weird about physical contact it's more normal for them. IF you're viewing as abnormal then you'll be weird about it and she'l sense it. Just grab the hand stop making it an issue.

IMO, holding hands before bf/gf (and even after) is weak/gay. If you just met someone, TAKE their hand and lead them as opposed to walking hand in hand quickly.

But, from you original post, you shouldnt be thinking about holding hands. You should be kissing and leading to sex.

This is great advice I'm about to give you when it comes to holding hands. Yes, it can be nerve racking the first time you do it with a new girl, especially if you're young. The biggest secret is when you do it, don't look at her. While you're walking keep looking forward and just reach out and grab her hand. It makes it much more natural. If you're looking at her it tells her you're looking for approval or you're scared how she'll respond. If you act like it's natural it'll feel natural for her.

Holding a woman's hand is gay?

Stupid post...

1) Stop making a big deal about this kind of thing in your own head. The bigger deal it is to you the bigger deal it will be. Stop caring and just do it. If she's interested she'll reciprocate if not she'll let you know.

2) STOP CARING OVERALL. Seriously it makes talking/flirting/fucking so much easier. Don't care about their reactions = you'll say/relay your personality. It'll help even if they initially dismiss. Girls get attracted to guys that don't make a big deal about these sorts of things/anything really. The only time you should make a big deal is when she's naked.

Yes. IMO. Holding hands and walking side by side looks soft to me and is not masculine. The other day I saw a couple in Best Buy asking a rep questions and they were holding hands and standing next to each other and it looked weak and awkward. I prefer to take a girl's hand and lead them like a man, not walk hand in hand like we're 8 years old.

Holding a girl's hand sets you up for mutual seduction. I've learned several tricks from Teevster. It goes like this:

Step 1. Hold her hand for several minutes. If she doesn't pull back, you're good.

Step 2. Place her hand on your chest and then rub your chest with her hand. If she doesn't pull back, proceed to step 3.

Step 3. Playfully place her hand at your ass, if she pulls back, say this in a cheeky manner: "Stop mashing my butt pervert." If she hits you and giggles, proceed to step 4.

Step 4. Place her hand by your belly and rub your belly with her hand. If she doesn't pull back, you're good.

Keep on escalating until she's rubbing your cock.

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You're projecting your insecurities onto the couple. Nothing "weak" or "gay" about holding a girls hand unless that girl is actually a guy.

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You're projecting your insecurities onto the couple. Nothing "weak" or "gay" about holding a girls hand unless that girl is actually a guy.[/quote]


Maybe you're thinking it looks good when it doesn't. Look, I'm dominant in my relationships. That's my style and vibe. Girls love it. So yes, when I walk with a girl I take her hand and lead her. I've had female friends, gfs, dates comment on other couples who are holding hands and walking like 8 year olds. Women love to be dominated and led. Why walk with them like you're "partners" when you can lead them like you're their "man."
Dominance wins over romance.

You're projecting your insecurities onto the couple. Nothing "weak" or "gay" about holding a girls hand unless that girl is actually a guy.[/quote]


Maybe you're thinking it looks good when it doesn't. Look, I'm dominant in my relationships. That's my style and vibe. Girls love it. So yes, when I walk with a girl I take her hand and lead her. I've had female friends, gfs, dates comment on other couples who are holding hands and walking like 8 year olds. Women love to be dominated and led. Why walk with them like you're "partners" when you can lead them like you're their "man."
Dominance wins over romance.[/quote]
Strange frame. Not sure how well that'll serve you in a real relationship.

Maybe you're thinking it looks good when it doesn't. Look, I'm dominant in my relationships. That's my style and vibe. Girls love it. So yes, when I walk with a girl I take her hand and lead her. I've had female friends, gfs, dates comment on other couples who are holding hands and walking like 8 year olds. Women love to be dominated and led. Why walk with them like you're "partners" when you can lead them like you're their "man."
Dominance wins over romance.[/quote]
Strange frame. Not sure how well that'll serve you in a real relationship.[/quote]


Being dominant is a strange frame for a relationship? Maybe you can explain

Ive messed with married women and girls with bfs in the past, and the main thing I heard for why they lost attraction for their guy is "it feels like we're friends", "he doesn't take charge." Its shitty but women want to be dominated and led.

Being dominant IS NOT conducive to healthy relationships. It may work for one night stands and casual hookups, but it smacks against every piece of legitimate research on establishing healthy partnerships. Dominance is ego based, relationships, albeit healthy ones are more egalitarian and less about power dynamics. You've got a lot to learn. This is why most PUA is virtually useless for entering LTRs. You're likely quite young and/or very inexperienced in LTRs.