I normally open with an opinion based opener, (depending on day game or Night game). Then I move to a hook point, tease, Grab her hand (kino) tell her if she has small hands or big (say something like you have small hands, you'd be great at playing the guitar but you'd suck at the Drums.) I also try to neg at this point if she has on Fake nails, if she doesn't I compliment them..--> I will try to throw in a Neg at this point. Then I tease , Grab her hand again. Then I continue with either an ESP trick or the CUBE. ,<--- after I tell them what this means, at that Point I get stuck.. When I get stuck like this then I usually use Mystery's Number close.. It works.. But I want to build more rapport and attraction on the first meet.. any Help would be Great!!

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- 25 / CALIFORNIA / THE BAY AREA /

It sounds like you are being very structured. To me, Game should be more natural. You should open and build some social rapport, and tease when she presents the opportunity.

A Neg is a big rapport break. She needs to be seeking Rapport with you for it to work on maximum efficacy. I would save it to build Attraction as a last resort.

Your transitions seem tight with the observation hand comment.

Rapport and Attraction build at the same time.

A good Number Close should be at about 20 minutes in. Before you number close you should Timebridge. After you number close do another observational transition and do some Grounding, and keep the conversation going. You keep attraction up with teasing.

The number close is just a way point just in case you must eject before you can pull.

I will build into a number close with Qualification, the number close is an investment test to ensure Qualification is going well, and I keep qualifying.

If you struggle to keep going, try to strip away ALL routines and Game. It will suck but after a while you will be able to keep going.

You did not mention a FTC, one of those will give you a reason to eject after the number close if you really do need to eject for any reason.

I hope this answered your questions.

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Hey Thanks So much Bro^ I will give that a try!! Love all the help I can get.!

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-- The Name Is "MOE" and im WORKIN ON getting more Hoe's than LOWES --

- 25 / CALIFORNIA / THE BAY AREA /

The problem is you're acting according to certain rules prescribed in a book. In short, you're not being yourself and sooner or later you will lose the girls you are talking to because you will be forced to act on your own.

Use the routines/negs or whatever you call them when you get stuck/mind blocked and can't think of anything to say. Otherwise, act natural and get to know her better.

Chances are that you picking up HB 7-8's.

These girls require at most 1 neg and only if you have already gained rapport.

These girls have very fragile self-esteems and if you over do it on the negs or if your
delivery is off, you might encounter negative reactions frequently.

What I find effective with these girls is being completely honest about why I'm talking to them, it goes something like this:

You: Hi, I can't believe you so rude(said with smile on face)

Her: Excuse me(usually shocked, people don't like to be considered rude or impolite)

You: I've been standing over there for a WHOLE 5 minutes and you didn't even come say hello or nothing(cross your arms as if you are upset with her)

Her: haha!! (should be laughing if your delivery was light and fun)

You: You really suck at this..ok ok, let me do it then..Hi, I'm X and you are? (do double hand shake clasp(1 hand covers her hand as she do hand shake)

Then from there you should be golden and you can transition to an insta-date or exchange stories with her to connect even more with her and solidify your rapport.

^wow fuck off I read a golden reply like ^that one^ the morning I leave montreal.... Fuckkkkkkkkk that's shitty I'll have to wait til college to try it out -,-

^Thanks Guys.. Yes I was very Structured.. now I'm getting more and more natural as my inner game progresses..

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-- The Name Is "MOE" and im WORKIN ON getting more Hoe's than LOWES --

- 25 / CALIFORNIA / THE BAY AREA /