So I went to a strip club for the first time in years, and was surprised to meet a girl I actually wanted to date. She was kinda nerdy for a stripper and kinda smart, and my type in a few other ways. I took her to the VIP room, and was pretty smooth even though I haven't studied any game for years. But I recently have been improving my life and finally hit the point where I'm on a mission for the next year or 2 to find a great girlfriend. I thought this stripper would be a great starting point to get my feet wet(among other things). Unfortunately I could've done a few things better, more DHV, push-and-pull, etc, but I was out of practice and not ready for this at all(stupid. I should be ready if I'm going to a place with naked girls. Duh.), but I didn't really fuck up at all, and I did have her qualifying herself to me a few times. I was kind of acting like a prize that she might be able to have, and at the end, I told her the usual "I've never done this while a girl was naked on top of me, but I'd love to take you out on a real date." She stopped dancing, started cudling with me, and asked where I would take her. I told her the Santa Monica Pier(since that's a great spot to bring a date). She said she had never been on a real date before and seemed kind of excited, and offered her phone number really quick. I said "sure", not in a hurry, and mentioned that who knows, she might get to see me naked someday. She went to the bar and asked for a piece of paper and wrote down a phone number and real name(that she had already told me).

So I call the number 3 days later, and the subscriber I am trying to reach is out of service. To not be a doofus, I'll assume with 99% certainty that she is a great actress and gave me a wrong number. I suppose it is slightly possible that she didn't pay her bill even though I gave her lots of money 3 nights before, or that she wrote down her number wrong on accident. I've done that kind of stuff before on accident, but since this is a stripper who probably gets a lot of guys that want her, I'm going to assume it was a wrong number on purpose.

Anyway, I came up with 3 ideas. And I pretty much can guess which one you will all think is best, but I still want to know, and see if you have any other advice or ideas that can add to it.

Ideas:

1. Give up and find other girls. Maybe the number was wrong. Who cares, I can get plenty of 10's if I put in the practice.

2. Call her at the club tonight(4 days later), and say smoothly "Hey, this is Kevin. I'm really sorry, but I lost your number the next night when me and friends went to the Avalon. I looked in my car and can't find it anywhere. But I'd still love to take you out. I'll call your phone right now if you want so I don't lose it again."

3. Go back to the club on Friday night, when she is very likely to be working. She will assume I want a dance from her, but I'll say "No, thank you, I want to check out some other girls.", which might surprise her. And I'll buy one lap dance from about 5 or 6 different girls. The one I met might wonder why I'm not asking her for anything, and might feel a bit jealous, and if all goes to plan, at some point she'll say "I thought you we're going to take me out." Then I can say "You still want to go out? Sure, I'd still love to take you out, but you need to give me your number again. I lost it the night after you gave it to me. I admit I was a little disappointed to lose it. I bet we could have a lot of fun together."


Any ideas? What do you think of each option? I was going to go with option 2, since I thought that was kinda smooth, switching it from her giving me a wrong number to me losing her number.

But 3 sounds a lot more fun, and might work amazingly well. I have no idea if it would work for sure though and it's little expensive, but sort of worth it cause worst case scenario, you get naked girls dry humping you.

If I were to write a stripper lay guide, this would be the structure:

1. Never Pay For Anything.
2. Sit away from girls, opposite side of bar.
3. When girls come up to you, say you are waiting for someone.
4. When she touches you, try and dissuade her from doing it.
5. When she talks to you, work Rapport and Chemistry.
6. Play opposites: Tell her to keep clothing on, etc
7. Strippers are PUA's, they know the Game better than you. (Strippers have Forums like PUA's and read the same books)
8. Shut stripper logic down with script flipping and Rapport.
9. Be Unreactive - Icy Cold PIMP or you lose.
10. No Touching or Escalation.
11. Shut down her Advances.
12. Did I mention RAPPORT?
13. Eye Contact like a Psycho.

It sounds like you did the opposite. You were a mark. A target. She was the PUA, you the victim. You can pull her if you leave your wallet at home and ignore her. Buy drinks and do not stare women down.

I hate to say it, but you tried to Game a master PUA and lost your cash. That is what Strippers are.

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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the case. Thanks. I did a few things right but did a few things wrong for sure. I'm not surprised if #1 is the best option, since she caught me a bit off guard, but #1 is no fun, and will guarantee I won't bang this chick.

I just wonder if i should give up or if it's still possible with the right game. Giving up isn't usually my style.

Shocking that you found a stripper you want to date.

Just shocking.

They're professionals. Saw you coming a mile away.

IMHO they aren't worth the trouble... however that could just be because I've never done it right with stripper game... I got a number once (it even worked!) but could never get a date out of her... Apart from that I haven't really tried. I mean, you need to have a pretty strong mindset to be dating a girl who humps other guys for a living.

The numbered guide to how to date a stripper in this thread seems about right... There is other material here on the forum too, from other guys like yourself who are trying to get into that kind of thing. Try the search.

Well even when I was a 100% afc I dated a 10, and one of my best friends is a stripper, and she just had a baby 3 days ago with an afc that she met at a club she was working at and bought lap dances from her. You guys act like these chicks are robots who follow their programming 100%. The advice here works great, but it's not like you've never seen a hot chick with an afc before. The 'f' in that acronym might be gone for a minute, but chicks need guys, and most guys aren't pua's. Everything isn't black and white like you think.

I'll give #3 an attempt and report back. I won't be surprised if you're right, but I also won't be surprised if I can come back from 20 points down to win the game. Game on.

And yeah, considering all of the strip clubs I went to with my friend, it is shocking that I actually found one I want to date. I'm in shape, make money, worked with big underground rappers(that she listens to), and all those girls are crack-head money whores. I couldn't believe I met a smart nerdy one that was my type.

Yeah, it's called "luck." The difference between PUAs and AFCs is PUAs tend not to rely on blind luck which lets face it, on average an AFC will get one girl a year if he's decent looking and has decent conversational skills. PUAs at a minimum should be fucking a different chick every month if they just want to have strings of ONS.

Also, you don't seem to get it. I don't care too much about what your opinion is of how much of a pua you assume she is or how many mistakes you imagine I made. This post is asking for advice on which choice I can make or what I can do to pull her the next time I go, if I go. I'm not really sure she's worth a drive over there either. She might have issues. But I want to play the game.

If #1 is the answer, then that's ok. That's your opinion, and I might even agree that giving up is the only option if the opportunity is totally blown. But you weren't there. I didn't screw up one time except for being off guard and going to a strip club for the first time in years to buy lap dances with no intention of meeting a girl. Big mistake. I'm just not sure it's a fatal mistake. Especially considering my friend and lots of other strippers who ended up with non-puas. I am extremely picky, and displayed that pretty much by accident, pushing away all of the strippers, including her, until I decided that she was the one I'd get lap dances from. Then I had her qualifying herself to me when I told her I like smart girls, so she started telling me what a nerd she is. I didn't say one stupid thing about how she's hot or awesome or pretty or anything at all like that. And I spent big. VIP room. And I won't spend a dime on her the next time is the plan. Also, at the end of the 30 minutes, I did ask her on a date. I didn't ask for her number though, but she offered it to me, asked me a few minutes later at the very end if I still wanted it, then went and wrote it down. She asked if I wanted to stay, but I told her I had to go meet a friend who was with a chick. So there's the details. I didn't do it perfect because I bought lap dances. But other than that, I think I'm a catch for her, and she'll be lucky if she sees me again, and I think she will, because I like challenges, and I see this as a challenge. A fun challenge too. And probably an easy one. You make it sound all impossible, but she's just a dumb chick(I said she's smart, but I mean for a chick). Maybe she's like the super-pro pua stripper, but I've met so many strippers that I know most of them aren't that professionally manipulative. In fact, it's the opposite. That's why they are strippers. They are easy to manipulate.

But I don't want to discuss or argue that or hear more about how strippers operate. I want advice on how to go forward from here. I have a plan, and I'm hoping to get ideas to improve it, or change it, which I already have a bit.

I am not saying you can't get a stripper any other way. I am saying I, and other guys, find success doing a lot of the same thing. Strippers require more rapport than normal girls, which normal guys do naturally. It makes sense that by not running 'Attraction' like an AFC does not do, and trying to build rapport, you will get success, that is the point.

It does require a strong frame, and the skills to isolate and bounce her from the venue are more challenging than a normal pull.

Strippers are like female PUA's, they earn a living by getting guys to give them money.

You can do normal boring stuff and get any girl if you have natural advantages. If you do not, you need more Game.

I hope you can pull her. I do not care how you do. This is not a discussion or argument of semantics, it is just an outline which works for many guys. If what you do works, ignore other people. This is a cloudy social science. Nothing is empirical. What works for one guy often times cannot be replicated by another. Get your girl, enjoy her, and I hope you can get a healthy relationship out of a dancer. It is not an easy thing to do, so if it works, please let us know so we can all evolve.

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You're just a customer to her now man.

The reason you went to a strip club is the main reason guys go to strip clubs... so they can feel a girl "love them" for a few minutes. She obviously did a good job but realize what you experienced probably wasn't "real." She's good at what she does and you paid her for it.

Save your money and move on.

We'll see.

And again, if you guys have any more tips on what I can do in this specific situation to reverse the roles, I'm all ears. I'll report back. I don't care about the girl nearly as much as the challenge and proving you guys wrong fi you say it can't be done. A lot of guys have enough game to buy a lap dance from a stripper and still pull her, I guarantee you. Even guys with no game have done it as I mentioned before. Rules are made to be broken. I realize I didn't make it easy on myself, and understand what I did wrong, but I'm still giving it one more shot. I feel like the star player telling my team I can still win the game when we're 20 down in the 4th, while others say "Just give up man, you can't win. You already blew it." I may have been a paying customer at one point, but if she wants anything from me now, she is going to have to earn it. And she will try when she sees me. Good luck to her. Like I told her the first time, if she plays her cards right, she might get to see me naked.

Yeh give it one more go cos she's never seen a naked bloke before. If you continue with this stupid game of 'winning at all costs' and she still refuses to have anything to do with you I bet you a million dollars you will become fucking fixated with her and behave like a fucking stalker because that big, fucking ego of yours will never cope with rejection. You barely know this girl and look at the state you've got yourself into. Strippers get hit on all the time and if she really fucking liked you she would've given you her real number.

Walking into the strip joint and refusing a dance from her and saying you want a dance from someone else won't get her thinking or feeling anything you childish jerk. There are a zillion guys she can dance for besides you. Christ your fucking egos are hilarious. WHEN SHE SEES ME SHE WILL ... blah blah blah. Yeh dude. Like you are so fucking different to all the other fucking jerks who go in there and waste their money. These girls do what they do for a LIVING. You will never get the better of them and this may come as a complete shock to you morons on here but so many of the strippers are in fact lesbians.

They can dance and look sexy and hot for you at the drop of a hat because you're all suckers and oh man do they know it. So while you're sitting there and she's sticking her tits in your face and you're thinking you are like some fucking God she is probably thinking she can't wait till her shift is over and she can't wait to get home to her caring, lovely girlfriend who thank fuck ISN't a dick and DOESN'T have one either. Just because a woman strips for a living doesn't mean she's straight you fucking idiots. It's easy money and seeing as they are not into men anyway, they are probably laughing all the way to the fucking bank which is just too fucking funny man!

PREACH!!!

Ah you're trippin. If it doesn't work I'm on to the next girl. I'm already talking to girls I met online and working some day game in Hollywood blvd.

Make sure to go to google and type in "What happens when you assume?"

Good Advice LIFE Pua.

I had never been to strip club before. Looking forward to try out your advice when I am going to strip club.
Those striper are hot.

But from what I hear, they probably have many trouble too.

One of my friend advice me just for ONS with these girls, but never into a relationship.

Is that right?

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