Lemme see if I've got this right...a girl's looking down, texting, or else she's in a large group, back turned. Either way, you sidle up to her, place hand on shoulder, and lightly tug it your way to get attention, and say, "hey," and in that correct order, yes? I saw a Youtube video discussing this, but now can't find it, so I'm now asking.

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Hm...surely someone's got insight on this topic....

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Yes. You walk up and say "hey", in that precise order.

What are you really asking?

What do you think I'm asking? Specifics, friend!

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Lol! Specifics how? There is no limit to the number of ways to open a girl. Like really, what is the larger question you are shooting for? How to open a girl in a group? If she is on her phone? Looking the other direction? People need a more specific question if you want specific answers.

Did you have a problem with a bad open or are you generally unsure how it works? I'll be happy to give a best guess answer, but I'll need a little more guidance from you.

Unless you're in a closed setting (Very private party) this sounds like a bad idea because you shouldn't touch anyone until you've been giving even the slightest IOI whether intentional or not. She might react very negatively or freak out. Though depending on the country you're in it might be more socially acceptable.

How, hang it! How do you DO it? Look--I've run into plenty of girls by now via running into them, and stalled mostly thereafter, but above all, I have mostly hesitated approaching in under three seconds out of fear, and you're telling me to "just" approach--been there, done that.

When she's in a large group, at a general social occasion, Einstein, background noise, back turned, how to engage? Give up?

Oh, and when you're sarging at a college, and you're asked what you're doing there, what's a good response? I was asked that a a community college I'm planning to sarge again at in the fall. A young male student there asked me that today, and I was slow to answer--wrong.

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Ummm dude, you have no clue as to what your doing huh? Your confidence lacks big time. A random stranger approaches you (someone younger at that) and asks what are you doing here. If he felt the need to ask you that question himself, its because you were being a creep and he was getting his facts straight before he called campus security.
Forget about a 3 sec rule. Ur a complete stranger amd if your not getting strong ioi's then 3 sec rule dont meam squat.

What you need to do is look more into opening. Opening always starts the same way no matter the situation

And i agree with one of the guys above. You dont just walk up to a girl and put your hand on her

So my advice to you is do your homework/research on the following:
Direct openers
Situational openers
Observational openers

Yes, that's it--opening. I'm clearly not effective at it. I attended a college graduation, and greeted a lot of people, which made sense, under the circumstances, but I really don't know what I'm doing, other than feeling a flow of sorts.

The next day, I was walking in downtown Olympia, and greeting everyone that came near. I saw this attractive young woman coming out of a bar, I saw this a nice opportunity to do this to someone attractive, apply the 3-second rule, said hello, and patted on the shoulder, which I handled awkwardly, and walked on. SHe called after me, asking why I did that, to which I smiled and just said I was being friendly, and walked on. Probably thought me a strange variety of groper in the end, but still she must have been impressed on some level with me, because she wouldn't have reengaged if she just deemed me a simple creep.

Oh, and so you know, that student didn't approach me; I approached him, saying something, jokingly, I think, and after that he asked me. Wasn't like I'd weirded him, but he thought enough to ask. Wasn't about to call security, but curious. I mean, it's summer, old faces are leaving, and this strange-looking, older, new guy shows up. I don't blame him.

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This video or part 2 of this video about half way in he shows you how to open up a girl with her back turned same way you're talking about http://youtu.be/9mVFtDiMyLY

I'll walk up to a girl and touch her and open her up at the same time because I'm a fuckin alpha idk what you guys are talking about on the don't touch women thing I go up and lightly touch there shoulder and start talking and you guys are getting the whole opening idea wrong its not about a certain "line" or "routine" opening is and always will be about how you say what your saying body language ,confidence , and consistency of your persona , stop wanting something (being needy) and looking for reactions , just enjoy the moment your in talking to the girl show you the interesting man that you are , asking a girl simply what the time is could be the most amazing opener why? Because an amazing person asked it

Thanks-- that's exactly what I wanted to find. La Ruina mentions it briefly here, but he shows stepping back. I've seen it better via an infield sage, and was looking for examples of that, too, showing when to give space at the right juncture. Are there?

That aside, I'm still trying to figure out how to generate attraction. Some girls aren't as interested, as Gambler was saying, but much of my problem is just soldiering on, I guess, but how to turn a stifled, nervous giggle into something more? I'd love examples, because mostly, I turn such cases into boring conversations.

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Is it you or her which is stifled and nervous? If you are nervous you might not even notice if she is too. That's the kind of awkward silence you are hoping for, actually.

Do you know mindfulness meditation? It is at these points you really need to "check in" with yourself. Just stop talking, look up at something, take a breath, center yourself, calm down and then move on. She will know what you are doing, and that's good. Both needing to do that and being able to says a number of attractive things about you. If she is fixated on you, which is what nervousness is, she will likely "mirror" you actions as genuine reflex... then you can both take another breath, look at each other and smile over the shared experience.

If you are nervous and she isn't then forget seduction, screw your feet to the floor and fry like a fuck'n egg. DON'T BAIL! Consider the set a write off. Now you are teaching your nervous lizard brain that it no longer calls the shots and your higher PUA/Intellectual brain is the new boss in town. Your lizard brain is a beta/loser/ACF prick who is fucking up your game. He'll back down... they always do. And going forward like this, he is less likely to show his face in future sets.

If she is nervous and you aren't... well, do whatever you want, frankly! lol. That's the ultimate goal, right? I would say "Oh Jeez!..." noticing her being a nervous dope, stand side by side, throw an arm around her and pull her close saying "You're adorable". Calibrate. Kiss on the head. Calibrate. Talk. Then maybe a move around to a frontal hug. Calibrate. Talk. Forehead. Calibrate. Get it? Do, THEN calibrate.The tiniest steps you can think of and stopping at any resistance. Calibrate. Then move on. Small steps mean small signs of resistance and comfort and safety for both of you. If your pace and intensity are good, there are no wrong moves, just make them. My guess is that you touch very little and can confidently move in a way that seems bold to you and it will seem fine for the girl.

So you know, I have of late been more aware of planting my feet during sarges, being relaxed enough to do so, etc. As for mindfulness meditation, I've practiced it off and on for years, but not tied it specifically to pickup, though.

Let me give an example of my skill, or lack thereof:

I hit on a girl at an office I regularly visit, yesterday. After smirking at her for a good many seconds in which she asked me what I wanted as I held up a cell phone, I asked for herto be photographed, which she politely declined, not not without smiling.

Given my past history with her, and that she didn't act like I was a creep, I surmise that my mistake was not to tease her more, before asking, or else ask her to make intermediate steps, instead. I mean, not too long ago, I asked her what picture of me on my phone she liked best, ostensibly for online purposes (we're talking an employment office), and she did a little IOI-ing in its wake.

Still, my staring at her with lust eyes did not turn her away. I built tension, via via eye contact and silence, yet it was not enough. I suppose the way to making a girl giggle is simply "playing" with her.

Well, late in the day, yesterday, she comes in to the room I'm at, wearing a pony tail, something she hadn't done since I'd suggested it, a week or so previous, which is significant, and starts explaining to me why she'd declined my offer to photograph her three days previous.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, bringing this up while having your hair done in a way you know the man in question likes is a big IOI.

Any rate, she explains that she only shares photos with friends and family. (I'm sure lovers are an exception, but potential ones are out on this.) Me, I should have pushed her away more, looked at the screen, made her compete for my attention. Instead, I just downplayed her bothers about the incident, like it was no big deal, and addressing her objection to be photographed, assured her I was discreet.

And then I moved too fast, or too direct, or both. Shoulda played, more, but I instead stood up, and said, "I love your ponytail," as I went to touch it, causing her to fold her arms, and back up. I promptly sat back down, and she curtly walked away, giving a polite, yet cold, farewell.

I don't think I was wrong about mentioning the ponytail, but what I did most wrong was not make her work for my attention, enough. I botched a golden opportunity, and unless mistaken, the main culprit wasn't outcome dependence, just stupid timing, scaring away prey that should have been an easy meal.

And thus, my goal is to calibrate to her reactions, but I've not. After asking for her photo, she declines, but with a smile on her face. I suppose cajoling, or whatever, under the circumstances, would be good, then backing off, or comfort, and wash, rinse, repeat.

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i mean even i was nervous at the beginning you have to start relying on the abundance theory which is that it doesn't matter if that one girl doesn't like you , you can literally walk two seconds around the corner and there will be another girl with a whole new world of possibilities. now if you want to get rid of that awkward body language and stuff you got i mean have fun with it take the role of a actor you wanna be a smooth seduction artist like james bond watch james bond movies and go body language like james bond lol , try this be more relaxed dont lean into girls keep eye contact the whole time , stop worrying about what to say, just keep talking no matter what it is , keep aproaching but also keep field testing new things for you that you feel you need to do you'll get more comfortable and those small wins will start stacking up good luck gaming bro