ok. need some advice here guys. I’m a total n00b.

I have 2 girls that I’m into and I feel are into me to some degree.

J.
This is the girl I really like. She is really perfect for me.
The situation: I moved into an apartment with her and her sister. So I have been living with her for a couple of months while I have been working.

We really hit it off straight away - which is good but also bad because I am in great risk of falling into the ”friends zone“. I’m not there yet but I think I’m close and I want to get the hell away from there!
We are both moving out as neither of us can afford the rent. ha ha. So she is moving out with her sister somewhere and I’m moving out somewhere else.

At the moment she is overseas seeing her parents and *dumb da* her BF!

Now I’m not too worried about her BF. He sounds like a complete fuck-tard. She doesn't talk about him much. I don't even know his fucking name - she merely refers to him in ”my boyfriend“. e.g. ”yeah my boyfriend says that …“ I think she has only spoken about him to me 3 times - and they were one sentence comments. In one of those she complained how he doesn't want to come over here (Australia) and it is something they have fought about a lot. I think she has been in a relationship with him for a couple of years. But no pictures anywhere of him etc...

So basically I’m moving out before she will be back here. So when I meet her again I don't want to fuck this up. So I figure after a week or two I will call her (or hopefully she will call me) and organize a date. e.g. “hey J, lets go out for dinner on Fri? ok meet me at X at Ypm?” i.e. take control (something I never do - but I’m guessing I should).

But from there I’m not sure how to go?

I get weird signals from her. I should note that I suck at seeing signals. Sometimes I think I see them when they aren't really there. And other times I completely miss obvious ones.

She seems quite flirty. She walks around the house most of the time in tiny (OMG tiny) shorts. But this is only, ONLY when I am here or her sister. She wouldn't walk around like that if I brought someone over. And she always changes out of them when she goes out to go grocery shopping etc... The other week she was wearing this awesome (OMG awesome. ha ha) push up bra thing and her nightgown but her bra and tits were totally on show. She was like that ALL day and I was going out of my mind. Oh it was torture. lol. All day! I thought that being in Guantanamo bay getting a cattle prod in the eye would have been less torture. And it was just me and her all day.

Another time: She told me she said she had a rash. And I said ”what do you mean. Show me“. So she lifts up her top showing her stomach and the red marks and I ran my finger over her skin. (Wow that sounded like a cheesy erotic novel ha ha) She seemed cool with that. No weirdness at me touching her.

Another time: she was complaining about bruises on her legs. Again I said (I’m very original) ”what do you mean? Show me“ and she comes over in her tiny shorts to show me the tiny bruises on her legs. Again run my finger over her bruise and say ”oh you poor thing“.

She calls me “sweetie” a lot - I don't know if that is good or not. Anyway I don't like it. ha ha.

But I fear I maybe reading too much into these messages. I don't know if there is enough tension there. Tension is good right? Though I came home the other day and said to her ”Oh you haven't been watching Gilmore Girls all day have you?“ [That's her favorite show] and she really hit out at me ”No I haven't! I even washed your dish towel!“ It kinda freaked me out. She doesn't normally have any temper. I went to my room. Then I came out a few minutes later and said sort of apologizing ”you didn't have to wash my dish towel“. She does a lot of things like that. Cleans my stuff, buys food for me etc... But I liked that I saw another side of her - I liked that she got pissy with me. At least it added a bit of tension? Makes it less comfortable for her and so I don't fall into that oblivion that is ”the friends zone“.

So where to from now? And don't say ”forget it. She has a BF.“ He is a douche-bag who lives in another country. She is here for 1 more year before she goes back. I have one whole year to get this shit together!

Another problem is that guys hit on her all the time. Its crazy. She is attractive but she isn’t a super-hot-mega-babe or anything. But she gets a lot of attention. They are all losers - the bus driver, the guy at the cash register at the grocery store and this wanker who lives in our apartment who talks big. She is very naive - she has no idea that these guys just want to do her. I think she just thinks that they are nice guys who want to be friends. And she will go out with guys which I find weird given her BF. But that might be good for me?

R.
I don't really know where I stand with R. We are very similar. Both went to uni together and did our respective thesis' at the same time. I have known her for a couple of years but only see her on and off for dinner or lunch. There is something there I think but I don't know what it is. I wouldn't really say she is a friend. So I guess that is good.

She came over the other day and cooked me a curry! It was great! and then she even washed up! Don't get me wrong I’m not a chauvinist. I just said ”Im too lazy to wash up. Lets stick it in the dish washer“ and she said ”Oh you are such a guy. Give it here“ and she washed up. We watched a DVD on my laptop and then she went (it was a Sunday, she had work in the morning and so did I). But I was disappointed with how it ended as I got no signals.

Weird thing was that she left the tupperware container that she brought the curry over in here. She just said ”Oh I’m too lazy. I will pick that up later.“ I don't know why? It had been soaking in the sink all she had to do was dry it and take it? It was only a tiny container. Is that a signal? A signal that she will be back. And she is definitely not lazy. It was just out of character for her. Very weird. And she gave me all these indian bread things (Rotis?) too.

Are gifts a good or a bad sign?

My mate thinks she is into me. But he hasn't met her. His theory is that if a girl comes over to especially cook for you then I am definitely in. She has never done anything like that before.

Before she came over we discussed her coming over and cooking for me but she said ”when your SPAM go [overseas] I will come over and cook a curry for you.“ I thought that that was weird - why does it matter if my SPAM were there or not? Maybe that's a signal?

Further, that day I added her as a friend to my Facebook account. When you add a friend on Facebook there is that option where you put in how you know the person. And so she put in “He was cute, so I said hello and never look back since” and she laughed.

Sorry that was long.

HELP!

Wow! That was very interesting! Let's break it down!

First Girl - Her boyfriend and her fight alot, right? So it creates negative tension between her and him. She complains about how he doesn't do shit. Good! She's not interested. Run this routine on her when the next time you see her:

YOU: I wanna run a test on ya! Ready?
HER: Yes\no\maybe.
YOU: Okay, I want you to imagine that you just created your own solar system. Now you're the sun and I want you to tell me how big you are?
HER: [answer]
YOU: Are you cool, warm, hot or super hot?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: What is the nearest planet?
HER: [ANswer]
YOU: How close is the planet? Very close, close, far, or way far out?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: How do you feel about being around this planet?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: Is their any resistance between you two?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: Do you feel like you can trust being around this planet?
HER: [ANswer]
YOU: How do you feel about this planet?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: How big is this planet, small, medium, huge or super huge?
HER: [Answer]
YOU: Are you ready for your analysis?
HER: Yes!

I'm gonna break it down!

THE SUN represents her ego and the size of it.
THE PLANET represents her relationship and how she feels towards it. ALso, whether or not she trusts him, also how much theirs resistance for her to break up with her. It will also tell you how much control either one of them have (if she's bigger than the planet than she has more control, if the planet's bigger than her than the BF has more control.]

This is one of my SOLAR-SYSTEM GAMES I played with several women.

Now back on track! She maybe giving you IOI's but also tryng hard-to-get. To stay out of LJBF (Friend's zone) used KINO (which you're doing! So good!) I'm concerned about her bruises though! Is she inflicting them on herself to gain your attention. This is however not good and you should stay away. Next time ask her how she got those bruises. If she gives you a lame excuse then you know she's hurting herself. Or she's totally clumbsy!

About R. She's giving you IOI's. Your friend is right! He may be skilled in the GAME. Ask him or us for more advice. I laughed at the whole, "I'm too lazy to pick it up!" She's making an excuse to see you again. Which is a IOI! If she came over again, run KINO and build up sexual TENSION by CORRECTLY NEGGING HER or giving her a hard time. Women love when men give them a hard time. They like a guy that can express himself and flirt. Also, be in control by being a ALPHA MALE.

I'm still practicing in the field but gained alot of knowledge and experience. About J, since she's comfortable with your touch; she's accustomed by it and feels it's normal. ALso I suggest you a book

Body Language Secrets: A guide during courtship and dating by R. Don Steele

You can find this book at http://www.amazon.com

Another way to build attraction with either one of these girls is to go out and see other women. Have your options available to you. Don't just settle just for one. See several then make your choice. This is the whole reason of becoming a PUA. That's of course you wanna become a PUA.

Anyways, man I'm gonna jet. PM me if you have further questions or visit my MYSPACE page.

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Wow! Thanks Stealth! I really really really appreciate it!

Sorry I’m not up with all the lingo like KINO and IOI etc... he he. I’m totally new to all this. You know what is really weird? Another one of the girls I’m into told me about this whole PUA thing. We were in the bookstore and she was like you should read this - pointing to Mystery's book. I think she has read it. How strange is that? But it is also fucked up because it means I won’t be about to use it on her because she already knows all the tricks! But anyway that's another story. Her name is, for our purposes, N. I totally dig her too (I know I’m greedy) but she is a weird one - really hard to read. I refer to her below.

That solar-system game sounds pretty wack but I will definitely give it a go.

Ha ha. Don't worry about the bruises - it was a sort of joke we had because she couldn't figure out where they came from. Later she texted me one day telling me she figured out how she got them - on the bus - banging her knees against the seat in front. She wasn't intentionally hurting herself to get my attention - but when she does get them she does make sure that I know about it. IOI? Same with the rash example I gave above etc... So I guess that is maybe a IOI?

Re my mate” I think my friend is just a little more observant and experienced then me. I don't think he knows “the game” but he has some element of game. But he has a serious GF anyway.

R:
Wow so good signs for me. I will totally do that. I will Kino and neg her into oblivion! Thanks for that. And I think that is a great tip re being alpha male - generally I’m the exact opposite. My general disposition is indifference (comes with being an apathetic Australian), which is a great way to be, but not around chicks! So that is something I really have to change.

Yeah will go out a see other chicks. I didn't know that is a great way to get jealousy and thus a great way to PU. I have being doing this to R (and a little with J) without really realizing it. ha ha. And she (R) doesn't like it. She knows N (the girl in my bookstore story above). She never has anything really nice to say about N, but N is a really nice girl, no bitchiness or anything - hard to dislike her. R just gives a short subtle stinging remark in reply if I say anything about N. So that's good. I will use it. It is amazing how jealous girls are.

With J she also knows N. She told me that she thought N and me were going out. I said ”No“. I’m guessing I should have said something else, more suggestive to build up jealousy. And she asked a couple of times why I don't go out with N. Because I’m not sure what to do I just try and shut the question down and say ”N is a weird girl“. So I need some help here.

Although, another one of my buddies who is totally into J, inadvertently helped me out in that regard. He said to her that I have ”a fan-club of girls at uni.“ Now I think he was trying to make me look bad in J's eyes (bastard!). But it probably works in my favour jealousy-wise, right? I only know that he said this because she asked me ”Your mate said you have a fanclub of girls who follow you around blah blah.“ Firstly I shut down the situation and ”said oh yeah and laughed.“ ”Be cool!“ I’m saying in me head. ha ha She persisted and I fucked up (only realizing it know after going through these forums) and said something like “yeah I know some girls” but I didn't make it suggestive enough to build jealousy-tension. But I think I can still use it.

I’m thinking my ”dish towel“ example might be an example of jealousy now that I think about it. I came back late the night that happened and I might have been out with N, or at the very least, J might have thought I was out with N (I never say where I'm going or have been) and maybe that's why she hit out me - the green monster of jealousy! lol

A few specific questions:

1) Is this a good idea?
I get in contact with J and organize dinner/movie. So lets say I call her on a Monday or Tuesday for dinner/movie on Friday. Now I want to build on this jealousy thing. Now what if I was to then text J back on Thursday (or the Friday morning) and say ”Oh sorry J. I forgot I had a date with N tonight. So can't make our planned dinner/movie. TTYL.“ Now I guess that is pretty mean. Is that a good idea? I’m a n00b so it might be a really bad idea and I have no idea.

I can't use N with R because they know each other and I don't know if I will be able to schedule a date with each of them on the same night - there is a great chance they would both find out what I was up to. But if you think it is a good idea, I can probably find another way of doing same thing with R.

2)
You said ”About J, since she's comfortable with your touch; she's accustomed by it and feels it's normal.“ So is that good or bad? What I’m doing is KINO right? so that's good? Damn her flashing her skin at me!

3)
If anyone else wants to impart their words of wisdom it would be greatly appreciated. For example, what do I do about this gift-giving situation - driving me crazy! Girls are always giving me stuff! J gives me food and does my laundry, N gave me her electric fan because I was bitching about how hot it was, R gives me a curry. Are these good or bad signs? If they are bad signs (i.e. indications that I’m heading towards friend zone) what should I do? Refuse them I guess. But how? Do I just be an asshole and say ”I don't want it”. ?

Thanks again for your help Stealth7!!!!!!!!!! I really appreciate it. I’m glad you like the story - it was meant to be humorous too. Story of my life really these types of things ha ha. Getting close to girls and then fucking it up. lol. I’m glad they provide entertainment and hopefully help others too.

Let's not get to carried away with the JEALOUSY PLOTS! This shit will turn them off and make them eventually not like you anymore! Trust me! I did this too much and I had girls stop talking to me or shutting down because they thought I don't like them.

See, women hate when a man doesn't like them because it gives them a EGO-BOOST! See what I mean? Good! So I would suggest to you is to give her mix-signals by teasing her. So say if she shows you the bruise or rash again-say, "Wow! Looks like a midget really beat the shit out of your legs! He must of liked you!" This is also a SNIPER NEG (it's directed towards her also it's a C&F LINE). ALso, the next time she askes about your fan club or anyother girl like N. I would suggest saying ,"So what your saying is--'[your name], I really love you and will do anything for you!', right?" THis is using Cocky & Funny. ALso when say that to her pretend your her saying that. She'll laugh and either play along or something like that.

DON'T and I say DON'T OVER NEG! This will also turn them off! Flirt with her and tease her. This is a big turn on for women. If she walks around in those tiny shorts say, "Hey, get dressed! My friend could walk in here any moment and have a stroke because your so fine!" This is good but it will take balls. If she laughs and take note of her laughter and compliment it. When you compliment make sure it doesn't sound like your going out of your way. Say it sincerely, and genuinely.

Her: [Laugh]
YOU: Awww...don't you have the cutest little laugh! You almost sound like a little baby!

This is a SNIPER NEG in itsself. Your comparing her to a baby's laugh. To use C&F with her say.

-or if she snorts while laughing-

HER: laugh
YOU: Whoa! What in the world was that? It was cute though! [SNIPER NEG and which will get her thinking your gonna make fun of her when you turn around and compliment her laugh]

USING C&F (COCKY & FUNNY LINE):
HER: Laugh
YOU: Funny huh? Yeah, laugh laugh laugh it up! [Laugh and smile]

I got this from Happy Gilmore. I use it constantly and get women to laugh and also men.

About N:

Ask her about if she knows anything about Pick-Up. SCREEN HER about how much she knows and whether or not she'll gonna become a PUA (Pick-Up-Artist). Don't BOMBARD HER WITH THE QUESTIONS; she'll feel uncomfortable. Just bring it up once in a while. If she just reads about it because she's curious then you don't have to worry about it. If she's tempting to be a PUA then of course she's inexperienced in it or if she is experienced at it-then you might have to step up your GAME PLAN. This will only take time and PRACTICE!

If there is anything more you want to know or talk about just PM me. Thanks man! Have fun!

LIke in my PM I told you to go out and sarge (go pick up women). This is good because it will get your mind off the other womens. Also, I've noticed that these girls you're mentioning about want you very badily. They're sending you IOI's majorily. When a woman is jealous they know they want you. Try not to have them cat-fight it out! Maybe you can have a three-some? Who knows!

I'm outta here! But take care!

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UPDATE:

Well I had sort of forgotten a bit about these girls as I have been trying to live the PUA lifestyle.

Anyway the following has happened with R:

I sent her a text last week

Me: ”I think you should really come over and cook for me again. Actually I’m ordering you. “

R: ”I didn't realise my cooking was that addictive lol“

And here is where I go all alpha/caveman/self destruct mode

Me: “No just you”

Being a chicken AFC I intentionally left that text a little unclear. What I was saying was “I am addicted to you” but I left some ambiguity.

Anyway the other day I had 2 missed calls from her. I didn't call back. I didn't feel I was up to it in terms of game.

So today I get a text from her
R: “Aint you addicted to me anymore? ”

So it looks like I got her attention. So where to from now. I am thinking of sending a neg/C&F message back. What do you think?

HER: "Aren't you addicted to me anymore?"
PUA: "Sorry, I kicked the habit of doing drugs!"
HER: You used to do drugs?
PUA: Wait! Are you saying I'm a druggie? I'm insulted! Make it up by cooking me dinner and I'll think about forgiving you!

Make sure it's light and funny. The key to C&F is alittle bit of arrogence then add humor to the mix. C&F=arrogence+humor.

Try it out and if it doesn't work then you can bring me to court! LOL! I don't know how the judge will handle that case though! Ha ha ha!

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You know your stuff my man! It worked. She didn't reply saying “You used to do do drugs?” but I was still able to flip her words around and neg her about calling me a druggie. ha ha.

But she is busy! God dammit! So I guess I have to do some reading up on time bridging or something. Sometimes it feels like one step forward, two steps back. ha ha. But I’m learning