Alright, as you all know, I've been a major advocate of NLP and language patterns I have a lot of posts on here. Recently, a friend loaned me his copy of Vin Dicarlo's Pandora's box, because he knew my interest in profiling people. This is not an ad for the program, any profiling will do as long as you gain an understanding of what makes this person tick.

I wasn't getting turned down by women. Now, let me first say, I'm attractive, but, I'm also 256 pounds (and not the muscular 256) and I'm balding and I'm only 25 which means I don't have a huge amount of money. I was getting friendzoned a lot. But here's the thing, I was getting friendzoned using the same techniques I was getting another woman with. One found it arousing, while one found it charming and good-nature but not arousing.

Enter Pandora's Box--I maintain you can get the same profiles from The Art of Seduction, you can learn great profiling techniques from Igor Ledochowski's Hypnotic Profiling program, so, again, this is not advocating Pandora's Box and I didn't pay for the program.

Pretty much, different women are attracted to different things, sometimes in different ways. To take Dicarlo's examples. The Cinderella and The Modern Woman both want men of direction, purpose, and are sexually aggressive. The difference is that a Modern woman sees sex as fun and casual and if she likes you and feels attracted to you, all you have to do is take the lead, and she'll go along. The Cinderella on the other hand sees sex as important, valuable, and meaningful, and she wants to feel connected and feel like you value her and see her value. You have to take action but then have to get her to reciprocate, otherwise she feels as if you're just trying to game her--pretty much, pacing and leading are going to be huge for her... she needs someone that understands her world and accepts it... The Modern Woman doesn't need that in the same way... The hopeless romantic has to have something she can fix in you, a challenge to overcome, if you overcome it too quickly without building emotional investment, she leaves for someone else because the thrill is gone, you'd want to use the Gemini Pattern, or other patterns about duality, and good and bad, and you'd want to talk change... like the Rake Valmont in Dangerous Liaisons, you want to confess your faults, but not know how to fix them and thus using NLP and Language Patterns you can put the onus on her to be the savior.

Understanding this, I've gotten 4 women, now I'll be honest, 1 was a model, 1 was incredibly obese (beautiful face, soft features, but bigger than me) (I really liked what I knew about her sexually and oh my God, for anyone that watches Archer, pretty much like Archer describes Pam in season 3), 2 were 7's to 8's in a month's time, one a week. I've got 3 more dates and I'm still hooking up with the Obese woman and one of the 8's.

Actually, yes, I do support your value of the difference in the notion of sex--with the reference of Cindrella and modern women. Probably Cindrella can be viewed with the modernist perspective and modern with the postmodernist perspective. But I am quite confused with the connection of these with language and also in relation to your personal relation.

Why don't you spend half the time you spend on reading about hypnosis etc. on exercising and getting in shape. Firstly, it is a much more efficient and sustainable way of getting women. Secondly, you'll be healthier. And finally, you'll feel better about yourself and be happier in the long run.

Also, this Cinderella vs. Modern Woman theory is incredibly simplistic.

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Well first off Timo, I've lost 110 pounds, so please don't talk about stuff you don't know about. Am I not supposed to socialize and get laid while I'm overweight? I continue to lose weight and get in shape. I teach conversational hypnosis, I teach persuasion and communication skills, I'm a professional hypnotist... my study into hypnosis and conversational hypnosis makes my living, so again don't talk about stuff you don't know about.

The post focusing on my weight, is focused on telling people that no matter your current circumstances, you can still get with beautiful women.

And it's not just Cinderella or Modern Woman, there's 8 archetypes, or 16 if you look at The Art of Seduction, just gave two examples for length.

This remark makes very little sense. Obviously I only have the information that you provided me, and you yourself indicated that you are overweight. You did not say anything about your profession or your weight loss activities, so how could I know anything about that? So let me stress that I think it's great that you are spending time on losing weight, and succeeding. And If you can apply knowledge from your profession in your social life, also great.
Fat men, very much like fat women, are generally less attractive. I think you are well aware of this, otherwise you would not have made any mention of weight in the first place.

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I am currently studying Vin DiCarlo's Pandora's Box and the PhD program. I am about 8 weeks in. So far from what I am getting from it, is understanding a woman's psychology, why she thinks the way she does and acts the way she does.

The system types women into 8 archetypes based on how she views time, sex and relationships.
In these three dimensions there are two dynamic extremes that she may fall under thus creating the 8 archetypes and as already mentioned two of the eight are the Modern Woman and Cinderella.

To say this this system is simplifying women I would not agree.

If Pandora's Box strike your curiosity you can get an objective analysis of it from paying customer who has completed the PhD program from Illuminating the Box blog.

Google illuminating the Box to find the blog. Unfortunately being new I am not privy to pasting links here.

For me there is a lot theory involved. So far 8 weeks in I would its 80% theory/knowledge and 20% implementation. The content such as the video interviews with each archetype is very insightful.

Although I like Vin's product Pandora's Box and I intend to continue paying for it on the monthly basis until I complete the PhD program, I am finding out that I need to diversify my PUA skills and not just limit myself to one system. I have purchased other two other products under same parent company of Pandora's Box to expand my skills. One of the two other products I bought by Jason Capital introduced me to the idea of NLP. This got my curiosity and led me here to this PUA forum website.

I find Ross Jeffries system to be intriguing after learning about his name in these forums. I am thinking of buying it in order to integrate it into my overall arsenal. I believe I can use it effectively because from what I read so far, is you tell stories and associate them with feelings. I think this will be fun, because I do a lot creative writing to tell stories, so I all need to do is just verbalize a story with the patterns and disguise it as a normal conversation. Easy right...? LOL. Well I intend to practice and continue to build a solid frame.

Check out Pandora's Box on illuminating to Box blog and see if its something you may use in your PUA arsenal.

I have seen Vin Dicarlo's Pandora Box, but have not gone through the program to comment on it specifically.

However, I think its great that he does break women down into specific types of characters which will give you a baseline as to what type of person she is. You must not forget that people are a lot more complicated then just a simple label. When you add all the emotion and what is happening in their life into the mix you're really trying to solve Pandora's Box .

The best way I found is to ask them deep questions and find out their values, once you got that its like eating candy from a baby.

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