Hey guys,

About to finish uni (living in UK), massively frustrated that I haven't got laid yet. I have about two weeks left, so I'm starting up a journal. About me: I play jazz piano, like boxing, yoga, thai boxing and BJJ, want to play live music when I quit uni and I have a good physique, weighing roughly 145 pounds (low bodyfat). Would prefer to weigh roughly 150-160 pounds and I go to the gym 2-3 times a week, diet, drink protein shakes and I get shit loads of cardio/circuit training when I go boxing and MMA.

As for women, I'm fed up of them, always saying no to me (I'm a fucking catch!). I don't want a girlfriend because I don't want to be in a relationship where the other girl is significantly more experienced, for now I just want a few lays. I hate the fact I'm gonna have to shag someone who's not a virgin and I don't think it's fair that I'm still a virgin. I hate them but I want to shag them anyway, so no more bitching and complaining. I've made a personal vow that I'm not gonna masturbate now until I get laid (been going for 5 days) and I aim to ask out at least one girl every day from now (it's easier said than done).

The other day I saw a girl with shades on campus, I walked up to her smiled and said,

"Excuse me, I just had to stop you and say you have a beautiful smile".

She took the compliment, "oh thank you ... blah blah"

*pause...what to say, what to say...*

ME: "Can I have your phone number"

HER: "Oh that's a bit forward!"

*nervous, so zipping jacket up and down, she notices...*

ME: "Yeah...but I guess that's just the way I am"

HER: "Well, you can have my facebook"

*She gives me name and I add her but she doesn't accept*.

But I met another girl at a barbecue and added her on facebook so I'm going to ask her for a drink when she goes online next *wish me luck*.

1st Congrats on trying to get this part of your life handled.

BUT!! Your mind set is a little fucked up.

Stop blaming women for your own loneliness.

It is not their responsibility to validate your virginity with their vagina's, like a parking ticket.

Girls are not obligated to like you because you simply exist. Nor are they obligated to like you simply because you finally approached them, staring at your feet playing the mamba on your zipper.

It takes practice.

DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY. That is the crux of everything. Girls cannot force you to feel embarrassment!

That's your own lack of confidence.

It will get better with each approach.

Real men don't blame, they take care of their shit!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

1. I approached loads in the past.
2. Girls aren't obligated but there's no reason they shouldn't be, like I said in the OP, I'm a catch and they go for a lot worse than me. So why the fuck not me?
3. You don't know how confident or unconfident I am.
4. What's a 'real man'?

Strength, reliability and action are all core parts of what makes a real man.

Your approach description shows a huge lack of confidence. So does your whining.

You seem to have become attached the end game, but neglect the means necessary to get there. You sorta have it backwards.

Outcome dependency causes neediness, girls can smell it a mile away like rotten fish.

Girls don’t just see a men as potential “pussy shredding material” based on his looks, or money.

Relax a little Bro, trying to help YOU.

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Perhaps if you weren't so defensive when people are trying to help you, you would've got laid by now.

If you start a thread saying "why am i still a virgin?" don't jump down people's throats to save face. The fact is, you are still a virgin. If you want that to change, you need to keep an open mind and take advice from people who consistently get laid very regularly. You don't know best, because you're still a virgin. If you did know best, you wouldn't be here. You have no reputation to defend, this is an anonymous forum, nobody knows who you are, so just be honest and admit you suck with women and it's not their fault that they won't suck your dick.

Once you accept that what you're doing right now is not working, then you can improve and get laid. But until you accept that, you won't get laid. Right now your main problem is that you wrongly believe that you need to be a muscular good-looking model to get laid. The reason why all those fat dudes are taking your chicks is because they don't give a fuck. While you are getting angry and questioning why hot women are getting with penniless fat dudes, you are missing opportunities to get laid. So the first thing you need to do is STOP looking at other guys and focus on yourself and the girls. Nothing else matters.

Your problem is you're not sub-communicating. You are just using words. You need to touch a girl when you meet her. Give her really heavy eye contact. Touch more. Stop asking for phone numbers and build something meaningful that she can get attached to emotionally. Girls can feel your urgency and desperation to get their number and it's really unattractive.

Hey man, I wasn't meaning to jump down anyone's throats, I was just trying to give a clear picture. I'm sure it does come off as a bit needy, I just jumped to the phone number part because I couldn't think of much else to say. Oh well. I thought girls like direct...
Ok sure, I just meant that I have some of those qualities, just maybe not in terms of chatting up random women but not in other aspects of my life.
Sure, I just get fed up because I feel they do want me, I get the odd look and things, you know. I just feel that it's because they get put off if I'm too direct or too indirect or whatever and I just think, well you know can't we just skip all this nasty psychological shit and take it to the next level? It's easier for girls to show a bit of sympathy than guys, you know.
Well, I do do those things, just when I can find an appropriate time. I find it hard to get it all together - body language, eye contact, touch and conversation orientated in a sexual direction all at once. I did some of that stuff with the girl on the bridge I just didn't write it down. I'm a bit vague on some details because I'm trying to keep anonymous.

I messaged the other girl and got a hi back but messaged her some more and nothing else back, so I'm guessing that's a no go. I was kinda being stalkerish adding her I guess. Well anyways I've been pretty busy today so not much time for a direct approach. I like to pace around a bit, take a walk and look for good opportunities, ease off the nerves before I get started. I try to think logistically, like if a girls in a convenient location, if there's nobody else around to eyeball me while I'm trying an approach, etc.

What you did was not direct. You simply panicked and asked for her number because you wanted to escape the discomfort and awkwardness of silence.
No, i don't know. You speak about women as if you understand them, but you're a virgin, remember? I'm not saying this to shame you, I'm saying it to help you stop making assumptions based on no evidence or relevant personal experience. Why would you want a girl to show you sympathy?

I've done stuff with girls, I've made out with them and I've talked with them. Anyways, I don't think you automatically become an expert on women just because you've poked a few holes with your dick. I'm aware of some of the things they're looking for in guys and it makes me sick. The fact they'd rather get with some fat rich prick than me is a statement about their personality. Whether they're obligated to get with me or not is another question. They're not obligated but they're fucking stupid if they don't.

Dude are you trolling?

You sound like that Elliott Rodgers guy... I don't think you genuinely think you're entitled to women and if they don't go for you they're stupid. I think you're just pissed off

You may very well be a cool dude with lots of attractive qualities but if the advertising is shit (how you portray yourself around women) then why would they go for the product?

You don't need our help then. You have all the tools to get laid all by yourself.

Good luck.

the advice on here is right but i don't agree that because you are a virgin that you don't understand women. i know plenty of men that fuck many women and still don't have a clue. many of them just end up in bum relationships get divorced or have lots of kids.

anyway, you do sound like Elliot Rogers (see youtube if you don't know who that is). The guy blamed women for not fucking him and then did some horrible stuff. So if you are trolling then stop because these are guys that really want to help each other on here.

the advice given isn't just opinion of a few guys on the forum. the old school gurus teach that "it's never the woman's fault". you will often hear this from neil strauss and mystery, etc. if you get rejected then it's probably something you are doing wrong. After all, someone has, presently, or will in the future be successful with the very same woman you have failed at. If a woman approaches you that you do not like (think is ugly, or skanky or something), then are you obligated to fuck her? are you stupid for not fucking her?

think less about the actual words and more about the interaction. heck i got a woman to sleep with me from playing connect four. the conversation was shit. physical connection (kino) is more important. please do not take that as going to grab every woman you see. you need to learn to calibrate. connect with your eyes, offer handshake, move to hug. if she's comfortable, tease her to build interest (push pull), then kiss.
NO FACEBOOK, Phone numbers are only to meet again, not to build from. All of this can happen over a few minutes to a few hours. Sometimes you only have a few seconds to get as much of this in as possible.

Anyway, if you want more specifics you have to change your attitude on here and prove you are not a troll.

So I went out tonight, can hardly remember most of it and am still drunk typing this (5 am in the morning). Tried dancing with some girls, they laughed at me. Whatever, no biggie. My friend said, "come on man, you do boxing you can do better", so I tried again and the girl didn't want me so I said to her "you don't know who you're rejecting bitch". I looked around, my friend looked disappointed (took his advice too literally). Went to cue up for some drinks, made a move on some girl, asked her to kiss me, she told her friend who said I was rude for asking her to kiss me. I called her a cunting, whoring bitch, then she told her guy friends so I decided to leave her be before any shit escalated. I told a friend I was fed up of women. He said I needed more confidence then went and told some hot chick I'd been eyeing her up all night. I grind up close to her, then ask her what course she's doing, etc., etc. Can't hear a word of what she's saying. I want to just ask her to come back to my place but scared it's too direct (panicky or whatever), so I walk off.

It's easy for girls to say "it's never the woman's fault" but then they don't do shit in terms of approaching guys, etc. They just leave all the leg work to us.

Sorry but I do hate women and I'm not trolling. Call me irrational, illogical whatever but it's just the way I feel and I can't help that I feel that way even if I'm completely wrong. Girls have fucked me over, at least in my mind they have, even if nobody else agrees with me.

And no I'm not stupid enough to go on a killing spree, I'd sooner fuck a prostitute. I just don't want to go down that route if need be because it's totally self-degrading and I know I deserve better.

I'm not ugly or skanky. I'm not attracted to girls from other races, and I don't know why that is. I'd say I'm stupid for that but nothing else.

Dude your attitude is awful

I don't think woman are just being lazy by leaving the approach to the man, that's the way they're programmed. You don't think you should be taking charge and going after the females you want? Girls put in a lot of effort into their appearance, so they're not being lazy. How do you think all the ugly girls feel when you're skimming over them?

Also that's just the way it is. If you're not willing to seduce them because you feel they should be putting in the effort then you're gonna lose out to guys who don't care and go for it.

Boxing/mma is okay but what does it have to do with picking up women? Women don't care and most men don't care. Go in humble, rather than thinking you're some some badass bro and when women turn you down think about what you did wrong and try and correct it. Don't blame the women

I hope someone on here helps you