I remember the dangers of pua being talked about in Neil Strauss's book - like some dude talking to another guy's girl and as a result getting sent to the hospital cause the other guy went off the deep end and proceeded to smash his face in. I'm just curious to know realistically how often those of you guys who have been doing pua for a while now run into situations when you're out doing your thing and suddenly things seriously start looking like they could turn violent.

I haven't seen any threads on the forum or articles online that discuss the times in pua when shit really starts to hit the fan, so just thought I'd ask.

Never happened to me, and I've never really seen it happen in general.

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Things went sideways when I was campaigning for a woman who lives in my building, now she has everyone believing I am a stalker and a pervert.

I just started packing to move into a new place. So, be careful who you hit on, this woman is very insecure and a pathological liar and it has gotten me into a bad situation. I am allergic to drama so I am just going to split.

Frankly, I would rather just have been punched in the face...

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This situation happened to me twice when I was trying to approach a girl I found attractive at a club one time and the other time was at a bar. Both those dudes were yelling at me for trying to holla @ their girl and they even wanted to fight me but before anything serious can happen both our friends from each side broke everything up.

There will be always situations where sown thing negative will happen, like a guy telling you to go away...

This is where you walk away and 99% it doesn't escalate

The problem is, when pick up guys have a bit of a "stand up for yourself" syndrome and the same situation just escalates and escalates until their is a fight. Alcohol makes it much worse.


So really depends on what type of guy you are.

I had a bouncer doing the white knight stuff and tell me to fuck off last weekend. I said it was a public street and he started to get in my face and escalate the situation. I backed down. He was a cunt, but be the bigger man and all that..

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I've had 2 incidents I have no problem walking away if a girl turns out to have a bf. I would rather move on to a different girl than get hauled out by bouncers, but I was talking to this girl guy comes up can't say for sure if he was the bf or not, but he was trying to start a fight I tried to end it peacefullyhe pushed me I said please don't touch me again he went to push me again I slipped and dropped him with a liver shot the bouncers didn't see that and thought he was fall down drunk and hauled him out.

Incident 2. I was dating a girl her ex was stalking her we were out at a driving range and came back he was outside her house screaming I'm standing with her he comes up says he's gonna kill me and reaches for his pocket I was like I gotta put him down I let my hands go as fast as I possibly could and didn't stop until he went down. And got the her the hell out of there. Fucked up thing he showed up at her apartment she let him in because he wanted to talk he beat the fuck out of her and she went back to him. I walked away that's the short version I did a lot to help her, but I did all I could and had to walk away.

The first time you go out, you could literally be looking for a fight and probably won't find one. I remember just looking at a waitress and thinking of saying something and a guy flying off the handle a few years back. I think this stuff happens a lot less as you get older because the disparity between the ages dissipates. Also, people who get mad about men hitting on "their women" usually look pathetic. I have a strong belief that you can't own a person and the time you spend with them is just that, time spent. So in the event that anything like that happens, the women usually seem to side with me anyway.

I think the correct approach to any situations like this- and the most socially acceptable one- is to look at levels of anger regarding this as mental illness. I know that might sound crazy, but I think it's true. If people are going to act like animals let them. I've had people arrested for domestic violence against me before, so it's a nonissue contacting the police. The way it is in my state, if the other person has marks on them they get locked up regardless of what happened. Don't even think about that stuff because it's like asking yourself "How often do cars crash?" Of course terrible things happen and you can't do anything about it. Don't let that fear even be relevant.

It all depends on how far you are willing to push it and whats worth it for you... Yeah, there is shit that could happen inside a bar. You maybe hit on a girl and one of her guy friends doesn't like it... He might get in your face. Or you say the wrong thing to a girl and she slaps you... I'd be lying if I said that stuff never happens...

But there's also other shit that could happen too...

For example... I was hooking up with this one girl pretty regularly for about 3 or 4 weeks... Turned out this girl had a BOYFRIEND that she didn't tell me about who had a few screws loose.

Well, he found out that I was fucking her. Demanded my address from her. And tried to blow up my car with a gasoline covered rag (luckily my gas cap locks) and proceeded to bang on my door until I came outside, wanting to kick my ass IN MY OWN FRONT YARD.

Look at it this way... The best professional athletes who make the most money are the ones who put their own personal safety on the line the most. Those are the guys who make the big plays.

So if you want to hook up with alot of girls, you're gonna have to deal with some shit and at times, your own personal safety will be on the line. It's part of playing the game...

The real question is... are you going to play it safe and sit on the side lines or get out there and play so you can be a winner?

Thanks for the input guys. I was mostly asking because I always want to be aware of potential risks when I get into something new. I always avoid conflict if I can help it, but I'm not gonna be one of these guys who talks himself out of something because of what "could" happen. I'd never get anywhere with anything having that mindset.

Atta boy

It happens very very rarely tbh. If you approach women and your not being dick about it 90% of boyfriends will just laugh it off. If they do say something just go "wow sorry dude I didn't know" and walk away.

The guys most likely to kick off are other non-game guys that have been trying their luck with her and failing or chodes who she has friend zoned but they still secretly want her. You roll up and bang she's all over you and their like what the fuck has be got that I don't. They either get angry and try to drive you off will threats or BS stories or they try to play the white knight and rescue her from you.