Ok guys, i have a date set up tomorrow with an incredible blonde i met about a week ago at a bar. She is not the average "bar chick", she's a little more than that. I saw her immediately when I walked in the bar, but i didn't approach, because i really needed to piss when i got there. I went to get a drink after my piss, and she was right in front of me in line. When she ordered, the bartender closed his eyes and kind of bowed to her.
Me: did he just bow to you? Are you worth being bowed to?
Her: (friendly response) i'm pretty sure he did.

Rapport was almost instant. I wasn't trying. this was an insanely beautiful women, giving me the time of day without me trying an ounce. Kino began instantly, by her, then we moved back to her table and joined her friends. Anyway, the night went on, and we realized we used to work together at the same store and during the same year, but didn't remember one another (i remembered her after thinking about it a bit, seriously how could i forget such an amazing woman?) We did a ton of shots together and made out a lot, though towards the end my memory is fuzzy. According to my friend, she practically begged for my number and i gave her my phone so she could put it in.

Ok, i'm good at approach and pick up.....my texting game WAS shit, but i read up about dos and donts, and i'm getting very good vibes from this girl. my texts have been witty and funny, but not sexual. I don't want to be a dancing monkey. the problem is my day 2 game is shit. i'm usually very awkward and shy, not the same person they met on the first interaction. i like this one, and don't want to fuck it up. (plus come on, i really want to see her naked)

our plan tomorrow is to go bowling at night when she gets off work. my plan is to take her to a local park with nature trails after bowling tomorrow (it will be night) though she doesn't know that bit yet. I need ways to charm the living shit out of her and keep the crazy spark i had the night i met her alive. any advice would help guys. my day 2 game sucks. i still get laid, i've just blown it at this stage many, many times.

It seems like you've got some good gaming going on, even if you guys got a little drunk. The thing is it sounds like she immediately opened to you and started trying to pick you up! Just keep that going! Now you've got her isolated, just have fun with her, lots of flirting! Maybe keep a couple of DHV stories/routines in your back pocket in case you freeze up. Here's one my current girlfriend came up with, and I think you'll like it...

You: Hey, you know how guys always buy girls drinks at the bar in hopes they'll go home with him?
Her: Yeah...
You: What if I were to walk into a book store and try the same thing? Like, walk right up to you and say, "Hey gorgeous. (serious suave face) Can I buy you a book?" (wink at her) Do you think you'd go home with a guy for that?

In any case, just keep it playful and flirty. Think of something interesting at your house that you've just got to show her, and invite her over for a drink. The worst she can say is no.

Best of Luck

-Ruggedized

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Thanks man. I'll take your suggestions. Good dhv spike opportunity with that story too.

Why don't you just head out with her for a night out again? You had fun before, why not do it again? You'll pretty much have a 90% chance of nailing her if you both get as sloshed as you two did the night before. You'll have already gained rapport and significant comfort with her. Mix that with the chemistry and looseness of alcohol and she'll practically be begging to go back to yours or bring you back to hers. Just have fun with it. It shouldn't be too hard.

Bowling then "Hey, lets head to this pub/club."

Only go for the number if logistics mean you can't take her home the same night. But apart from that you're doing well with rapport.

Just make sure you sex her good or she won't come back for more. Relax keep it casual and don't overtext.

Great Advice so far! I would stay away from the dark night walk. It may be too much for the Day 2. The secret is to not try hard... everything should be about comfort (conversation, activity, whatever) It sounds like you have a great back and forth going so keep it casual and fun. Remember girls love men they can just relax and have fun times with.

Take your mind off of getting her in the sack and it will make it tons easier, it seems like your on the right track, just let her decide when she wants to GIVE it to you. The bowling sounds fun... good activity. I would go for a drink after out somewhere... get some drinks in... then suggest ONCE maybe twice to go back to your place... if she says no... DROP it like a gentleman and continue the slow play. If you want to see her naked... that needs to be your #1 goal... not trying to close in under 2 dates.

BD

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Great advice. Yes, I have this problem where I feel like if I don't fclose on day 2, things have slipped away. I know this is unrealistic, but I suck at day 2 and have had wayyyyy too many beautiful women go on a second date with me, make out all night, and lmr at the end, only to never hear from them again. I'm meeting her in 15 minutes.... Thanks again guys.

Wow. Ok, the date went great. Instant Kino..more iois than there are fat rednecks in Wal-Mart (for you u.s. posters) dhvs like crazy. Very organic. I didn't run script or try. It's all very natural with this one. Couple points. Her: I don't normally like guys that look anything like you. We have nothing in common, but this is the best date I've been on in 5 years. Me: you said you like super tall, muscular guys. (btw I'm 5'11 and 'fit', not ripped or huge, but toned. Long, long hair, and a beard) these big guys offer security, and have been socially conditioned to accept this status as leader because of their frame. I'm not afraid to hold my own, I'm self confident and don't doubt myself one bit.

She fucking melted. Anyway, turns out she's been dating someone for a few months and wanted to cut our date short because she had plans with him. I asked if she knew we were hanging. Her:yes, he's very mad at me. Me: you're a beautiful woman, you have options and deserve to explore them. I can't be mad at you for seeking happiness, that would just be selfish. I'm sure he is a great guy, but is not used to being with a woman so amazing and is afraid he'll lose you. I'm not mad at you, in fact I hope you have a good time with him. I don't know a thing about him, but I can tell you he's not nearly as interesting as me.


Wait what? I just said that to an hb8 while holding her hand and looking her in the eyes? Before, I would've shut down and ran away with my tail between my legs. She practically begged me for a date Saturday ( asked 6 times). We went outside and talked. I asked her what she wanted as I leaned against the wall of the building. She said 'i just want to make out with you.' I grabbed her, turned her around and made out for several minutes against the wall of the building. It was hot. She was almost two hours late for her date with the other guy.me:how do you feel about doing that? Her:kinda slutty. Me: you just said this was the best date you've been on in 5 years, don't feel bad about your happiness. Yes, I was hoping to fclose, but I'm happy I stood my ground.

I think your mistake was not getting her to cancel on that other guy. She was willing in the fact that she was two hours late being with you. All you needed to do was offer the better alternative, something she was waiting for: "You're already late, how about we hang out and make a night out of it?" You would have fucked her.

I've come to realise that women will quickly lose interest in you if you don't break through their LMR or don't push them enough. A while ago i've had it where I was on a date with a girl in my apartment and she was really nervous and shy at first. I calmed her down and we started making out. She went nuts, started biting my ear, smelling my neck, getting on top of me and everything. I didn't take it to the next level because I felt guilty I was taking advantage of the girl. She was basically up for going all the way and wanted me to push for it, to convince her. I didn't. I cut it short and ended the date at around 12am. I didn't get another date with her after that, most likely because she felt ashamed she was willing to go all the way and I basically turned her down or didn't have the balls to give her what she wanted. I would imagine women expect it as much as we do in certain situations and lose interest the same reason men do: Too much of a tease.

If you're tall and fit she must think you're confident and used to getting women so she expects you to go for it. Naturally she'll deploy ASD and put up LMR so she doesn't come across as a slut and to make you work for it but she still expects it to happen. In her mind she has different expectations of you, expectations you need to live up to in order for her to be fully aroused and committed to you. If you come across as confident, successful and unphased you're ticking all the right boxes but then it comes to sex and you collapse at the opportunity. It basically contradicts who you are in not being able to f-close her which reflects poorly on you in her mind. You'll get the dates but a lot of HB7s and above will shoot you down if you don't go all the way.

ahti !!!! my man !! that would have been a difficult close for anyone right then and there seeing as she had "plans"

(which may have been her way of slowing things down, not saying she was lying but you were putting some moves on her and NEVER LISTEN to what a girl says watch how she acts i.e.--- when they say "BTW WE Arn't Having Sex tonight" or some form of that via txt or whatever thats a tell she is SUPER down to F*** , shes saying "please don't close me" or she's testing you making sure you'll still see her- ---which before a 1st date I ALWAYS STEP on there line and txt them FIRST and I TXT THEM THIS

"just so you know we aren't going to be having sex tonight if thats what your looking for I'm not your guy" --this takes ALL the tension out of the air and they relax.....

HUGE TIP (no pun intended) all your words need to say WE ARE NOT HAVING SEX but all your ACTIONS NEED to say WE ARE HAVING SEX)


YOUR 2nd DATE problem is from the kissing and whatever happened last time BECAUSE now that all that "STUFF" happened now the day of the 2nd date she's thinking all day
--- "i'm going to have to have sex with him to top what happened last time but I shouldn't have sex with this guy its the 2nd date for christ sake"

-----So they are going into the date with defenses HIGH- ---- so with this girl before you hangout again TXT HER THIS

"just so you know we aren't having sex I had a few drinks last time i was coming on strong and thats not me THIS EARLY in getting to know someone"

I just never run into these problems because i set up everything a little different

yes you might now have sex tonight but you WILL Tomorrow, a little planning goes a long way

1st I get her number (usually where ever I am with friendly conversation then get her laughing then say something funny like

"I usually don't like blonds but you are changing my mind just 'A Little bit' (stress its a small amount and make her laugh) we should grab a drink sometime i.e. gym/tanning place/ hell the grocery store where ever)


2nd txt her 20 mins later say--- "Hey! its [name] we just met save my number and i'll call you tomorrow so we can figure out a time to get together this week " ---warn of a phone call (this also rules out ANY txts until you call her tomorrow)

3rd call her the next day
(a number is dead with no prior relationship in 48hrs, after 48hrs they forget how much they liked you and LOGIC sets in, LOGIC is the biggest killer of getting laid lol)

when you call (which I like to make it around 9PM ill explain why later)

but first- ---pretend you've known her for years (this builds instant rapport and makes them comfortable)
Ask her what she's up to, girls are usually talk a lot and got into detail about what there doing-- use this and tease her, "Oh your doing XYZ, haha thats what you do with your free time? haha just kidding sounds fun, anyway . .....build more rapport just simple conversation ask about her and make her laugh, and make sure YOUR RELAXED she will feel if your nervous even over the phone---- after you've built rapport SAY THIS

"great, so I'm super busy this week but don't worry we will still be able to hangout" (tease make her laugh with this line, also this puts in her head that she's the one who should be worried about you guys hanging out)

THEN SAY " yea this week is tight no worries though I'm getting off work tomorrow around 8

(I don't care what time your working or if your working AT ALL tell them your off at

cont. ---Then after work I'm heading to the gym so ill be home around 9 so you could come over for a drink around 10 if you want, --(don't let them say word yet) cont.-- I WOULD have you over tonight (i.e. its 9 PM) But I'm finishing some stuff up and I need to shower so I wouldn't be free until 11:30 or MIDNIGHT and thats late for most people lol

(You are putting in there head subconsciously that they WOULD see you tonight AT YOUR PLACE but YOUR busy its not going to work for YOU)

cont.---- so tomorrow around 10 SHOULD WORK (still no room for response)cont. ---- I live around [area] do you know where that is?

let her talk and go from there

if shes says yes say cool i txt you my address tomorrow after work and ill see you tomorrow night....then after your off the phone wait 5 mins and TXT HER THIS "just so you know we aren't gonna have sex tomorrow night I just met you and I don't do that right away" if shes like 'yea of course' your golden

if she txts back yea 'I was gonna say the same thing' step on her line and txt "no I'm serious though I'm not that easy and your not that lucky ' make her laugh and have the last word on the topic reenforcing you guys aren't having sex

this now makes it YOUR decision then when she comes over your words are still WE CAN'T but your actions all say WE ARE

---IF SHE SAYS 'thats weird maybe we shouldn't hangout' or trys to cancel the date at all (which this has happened to me a few times) then do EVERYTHING you can to get the date back (she's canceling because she wants to BANG)

(I know because EVERY girl that tried to cancel after my tension relieving txt would end the same, we'd be laying there after we had sex and I'd be like so thats why you wanted to cancel when i said we couldn't and THEY ALL ADMITTED they wanted to hook up---if they cancel after this TXT you get them to your house for the night still you are going to have A LOT of fun haha)

I know your thinking , yea but I just got her number yesterday shouldn't I be taking her on a date?? NOPE as long as you built good rapport in person and over the phone your good- ----WHAT IF SHE SAYS NO ?

Find out why she said no with probing questions? if its a scheduling conflict just reschedule

If its because she's thinking THATS NOT COOL I'm not coming to your place the first time we hangout....THEN MOVE ONTO THE NEXT GIRL--this will only happen sometimes as long as you do the steps right

any girl that will come to your house for a drink at 10PM or later is DOWN and its a 99% close ratio, so REFUSE to make plans with anyone who wont commit to these time frames lol . .... no seriously they will take much more work to close and you don't need to waste your time

-- talk soon and let me know if you have questions !

Good insight from everyone. I will definitely use some of these tactics. This is so crazy, I used to think the approach and the open was the hardest part about pick up - it isn't at all though. Things seem to get so messy during mid game and text game. I stupidly asked her to come over last night after I came home from a night of drinking with my band (she said she was at a bar 5 minutes from my house). I'm guessing she was probably hanging out with the other guy/bf whatever the fuck they are, i don't even know. After day 2, she's been texting me a little less and we haven't talked again about our plans on saturday. Anyway, she declined last night, but she was super excited to hang again at the end of day 2. I read about "leaving a date at the peak of its intensity" on another thread here. That's exactly what i did. Now things feel a little awkward between her even though i haven't seen her again. hmm. may have fucked up. i'll have to wait til tomorrow and see. As for now...IT'S FRIDAY, great night for sarging. Thanks again everyone.

Fclose, mother fuckers. Sooooooooo much lmr. Pushed through like 2 hours of it. As soon as I manned up she went crazy. Thanks for all the help guys.

So you dudes get the chance to fuck her and .... don't. Fucking hell I thought girls played head fuck games but you guys are hilarious. Bet you're too scared to have sex cos you're fucking crap at it.

Digital_spy, we've been fucking for the last week and a half. There's a reason she came back. Thanks for the pro tip though.