Im not posting this to tell people not to study it, its just my personal opinion.
I got to pua in my 19's-20's, after a break up which made me really noob. I had the hottest gf, and after i broke up with her cause she got on my balls, she goes fucks the alpha male who happens to live in my block. U know, the toughest guy in the neighbourhood who used to be my friend( fuck that cunt now). Anyway, i fell into deppression after that, went to another place for my studies, and it was tough. I felt really akward with no friends there etc. Then i got into pua. I started reading all day, getting hypnotized and LOLstuff like that.... i thought i was gonna get bitches naked with just a wink! My friends got into it too. Some of them had success, some didnt. Long story short, im now in a 2 year relationship, and ive been absent from reading anything related to pua for almost 2 years. What ive noticed is, my friends who are still into this stuff, theyre reaaaaally awkward. Man u can see it.... theyre always trying to be the alpha male, like we say lets do this, and theyll be oh no lets do that cause whatever. Theyll always try to be the last to break eye contact, which is really really akward( i break it deliberately so that they wont feel bad if they lose). When they talk to girls, you can tell that theyre conscious about it and trying to figure out what their next line is gonna be..theyre so fucking conscious that even their kino is akward. like theres a fake persona in them and an outside pressure forcing them to be someone theyre not... btw, i havent had anxiety when talking to a stranger for a long time now..back then, id go to a club and if i didnt do any progress, id feel sooo bad for myself. Now, i can just go to a club and really have fun and enjoy my time there, and if something happens, its good, if it doesnt, no big deal. i know ill never be a ladies man, but its not something id set as a goal either.

Dear Player,

This is not what PUA is supposed to be, you have the routines, the lines, the "alpha" and all that around it.

But to me, what the Art of Pick up really is, is improving and creating a better version of you.

These male are obviously so desperate that they will do anything to get laid, what they are doing is the opposite of the Art of pick up.

They play the game, but they play it wrong.

Tell your friends, that they have gone too far, and with this approach they are not making progress but losing progress.

Will.

From your post i just see a random Pushers not PUAs.

Kind of how I looked at it too. I was into pick up, got married, never spoke to another woman for eight years, got separated, got back into pickup. I remember standing in a bar in London on a Saturday night, watching guys drink beer, pretending not to look at women, not making a single approach until they had enough alcohol in them and getting nowhere. But what I really looked at was the women. They looked bored, annoyed, sometimes scared and generally irritated. Those guys probably walked away muttering "bitch".

That's when it all clicked into place, it wasn't about changing me, it was about changing the experience the woman got in that interaction. Giving them a better guy to talk to. Self-improvement is just a side benefit of that.

It depends on how you are studying it. If you're not having fun then you're doing it all wrong. A little awkward is fine. Everytime you start studying something new, it's going to be awkward, unless you have some kind of natural talent for it. But if all you do is creep around women trying to figure out how to get into their pants, then you're just an empty pile of shit.

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Lame post bro. Can't believe I wasted my time reading you bash your friends for trying to get laid. It isn't our fault they don't know how to get girls naturally. We will see what you say about pick up when you and the 2 year wifey break it off.

Dude, not only is your name Alphabro, but you also sound like a huge douche. If that is the most you took away from the main post—I don't feel sorry for you, because I really don't give a shit about you—then you are just a simple idiot and there's not much more to say. Ironically, it's guys like you who make guys like me look good, but not for anything I do or say—it's all about you. So, please, keep doing what you're doing!

Great post dude. The idiots on here are tying themselves in knots pretending to be this, that and the other which gives off creepy vibes and scares girls off. All this staring into someone's eyes crap is just plain stupid. You're gonna look like a fucking psycho. They are thinking wayyyy too much about the next thing they will say or do and they are not being themselves. They really need to get their big, fucking brainless heads out of their ass and stop coming across as fucking desperate all the damn time. You win some, you lose some. Not every girl you set eyes on is gonna fucking fall at your feet so get used to it and stop getting in a fucking state about it.

Y'all act as though you should have every girl you fancy. Well you can't. While you're all doing your HB 1-10 fucking crap, y'all really need to be honest with yourselves, look in a damn mirror once in a while and RATE yourselves. It's no fucking good you being a 5 in looks, personality etc and chasing after HB7, 8, 9 or 10. Stick to your own fucking level.

While you were posting this heartfelt comment on this silly website I was literally fucking a girl for 2 hours straight

why the hell would you say this? Why would you tell someone to sell their dreams short? to not pursue the highest quality outcome? To settle for someone on their level? do everyone a favor and stop giving advice on this site because it is poor quality advice

Agreed 100% with OP. It's best to just go out and have a blast, have fun, not think about it too much, chicks will eventually tag along if they think you're where the party's at. There's too many overthinkers, and this makes them come across as creepy and weird. I know a few of these wanna-be alphas, some of them are cool people when they are themselves but when they put this persona on they become try hards and are really weird that it makes chicks run for the hills or even laugh in their face, if they're lucky they might get a lay every couple of months.

If you do 100% canned routines and always analyze things, it will make you awkward.
Pua is supposed to be a habit and natural.

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Ok ... so how long have your 'awkward' friends been 'gaming?' I doubt they have a lot (years) of experience. If they did, I doubt they would be awkward.

The more time they spend around people the more natural they'll get. But also, since your perspective is different, things will seem strange to you, that might not be strange to someone else. Just remember that. Normal is only an illusion, and doesn't really exist. Also, the goal of pick is to make yourself not normal.

I don't want to insult, but you're very narrow minded.

I remember when I first got into the really deep pickup theorys, I consumed almost every program out their within a few months, I started reading books on evolutionary psychology, and body language. I was ate up with game it was all i could think about. It started off fine I started seeing success in the field, started pulling girls consistently, but i started developing two personalities like i would just put on this thin layer of pickup when I went out. I started getting paranoid about social interaction, it was hard to hold a normal conversation without trying to apply some social principle to it. This was a phase though, eventually I was able to separate the theory and the practice and that kind of went away. My suggestion if you are going through this phase is take a break from theory.

Pick up is just a vehicle through which you can deliver the results you deire with women.

Example - a basketball in my hands is just sporting equipment, in Lebron James' hands its a sporting legacy and millionaire dollar contracts.
- a picture of a naked woman in my hands is just a picture, in Hugh Hefner's hands its the Playboy empire and much more.
- pick up in my hands is just a way to get social, laid or relationships BUT in the hands of any legit PUA guru its lifestyle of abundance and self-empowerment.

Pick up is just another resource/skill that allows you to achieve your goals and depending on whose hands this resource is, determines how they will benefit from it.

So in your friends hands its awkward and in yours its a 2 year relationship.

It's all in the hands man - use it to your advantage.