Hi guys,

You probably all know Tinder, Badoo, okcupid, ...
Now since there are quite a lot of cute girls on these sites, I try to work on my game and especially openers through these.
Most of the time I go for the crazy fun openers, but I don't get a lot of reaction. I think that's strange since I suppose most of these girls get most of the time retarted messages of men.
Can anyone tell me why that is? Are girls completely different on these sites then for example in clubs? Whats the best approach?

Matthias

The thing about dating sites is that women can actually figure out what kind of person you are before she responds to your message. Using "fun openers" whilst having a typical profile will make you look try-hard or incongruent and you disqualify yourself, sometimes permanently, that way. Put a lot of emphasis on creating a rock-solid profile (make your interests actually interesting (e.g. Rock-climbing)) and include pictures of yourself living a fun lifestyle. After your profile displays yourself as a fun person, your fun openers should win big for you.

-Elijah

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Hi Elijah,

Thx for your reply. You're right and so it means to be good at it, I need to spend a while on the fundamentals.

I guess if I really want to train myself I should use something as chatroulette instead then.
That or practice in real life... Continue going out each week, approach much more women a night than I do now and be less afraid in daytime to talk to girls as well. I mean I already had some nice conversations in the train and stuff, but most of the time I don't feel so much alfa as I should... I guess I just have to build and build...

Matthias

Not necessarily. That would mean that only PUAs get laid. In reality, even without a rock-solid profile you might be able to land a couple solid dates, it's just a lot more harder for you that way. The PUA with the interesting profile will always have an advantage...

Approaches always help. The more you do the better. This is something that will always take time to master, it's the same for everyone. You will have results soon. You just need to put in effort. If you don't feel Alpha it's because you have an insecurity that you need to overcome. Solid inner-game would help you in this instant. You have to literally fall in love with yourself, with who you are as a person. You seem like a great guy, so get out there and get results.

-Elijah

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One thing I have recently discovered with online dating sites/ apps, which made me realise just how much more of a success rate you will get actually going out and approaching the girls.

Now I still approach girls in bars/clubs or social scenes, but not to a huge extent as yet of which comes with time and effort, during the time I am not out socialising normally during the week when I am working during the day and not at night I could go online to these sites or use the apps on my phone.
What a great easy way to hide behind a phone or computer flick a like on Tinder, or send messages.
But there's one problem..

You might hit a like on her or send her a message in which ever way you feels works best, but at the end of the day she's got 4-5 other guys messaging her at the same time.
She is going to go for the guy who sticks out the best, whether it be his confidence, message conversational skills, looks, or even his background to what job he has.
As soon as another guy gets a step ahead of you she instantly takes less interest in you, and she has a right to and so would you if you had 2-3 girls on the go at once.
The same goes for when you go on a date with a girl, you've made it this far but you don't know if she is meeting up with another guy tomorrow.

If you approach a nice looking girl in a bar/club or anywhere socially, for one thing you are the only guy who has the balls to approach her and start something up.
The rest of the guys possibly 80% of say the bar are steering ogling, there is no competition you have immediately put a foot way forward and no other guy will even think about going near her for the rest of the night as they will assume she is with you.

Also by approaching a girl you know nothing about she has no idea anything about you, so therefore has no time to even think about judging you as your confidence immediately shines through from the moment you meet her personally.

I can tell you I have been on numerous dates maybe 4-5 a year the last 2 years and I only get so far with them, and I get about 3-4 messages back and fourth no matter how I approach it and then nothing with girls I havnt had the chance to meet.
My success rate is much higher if I just get out there and do it, muster up the confidence and do it because otherwise the technology of these apps and sites takes over us we hide behind and think its easier but in the long run its not.

I use Social Media (Facebook mostly) and Dating Apps (like Tinder) to select the girls I intent to catch.

After that I gather all the information about them using Blackbook CRM (blackbookcrm com) and use what I've learned about her to improve my game and to determine the kind of pickup line I must follow with the girl.

Basically I add the girls into Facebook and then put them into Blackbook CRM, that consolidates all the data about them for me. Then I can easily study my targets before engaging. Usually I check all their interests to start a conversation and look their top influencers, the people that mostly interact with her online, to see how many more guys are talking with the girl. After that I check her map and agenda to see what kind of place she actually goes and use it to suggest a place to hangout.

After I started using this process, my success rate improved a LOT... when I actually go meet the girl she's already very interest in me. It's also got much more easier to maintain (or terminate) any contact with the girls.

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TBH that seems creepy as hell

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Well friend, the way I see this is like tracking a deal in progress. You analyze your client, keep track on the negotiation, the competitors and use all this information to close the deal. It's the same concept here. You're not just 'stalking' the girls, but using all these information to improve your game.

Of course, it works as a stalking machine if you want to ... you see, the fact is that you can use the information to do whatever you want to do.

For example, you can get the places where the girl likes to go and use this information to propose a place to hang out ... or you can analyze her interests and use it to start a conversation. All of this will definitely improve your success chances...

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Yo explain more about this website. It sounds ridiculous.

Your picture & your profile are the most important on your dating site. If your pic is horrible most women won't give you the time of day. Also don't copy openers you've heard on dating programs... they probably have heard it from some other guy online.

I would also start cold approaching and increasing your chance of opportunity by taking on some hobbies. Online Dating is great.... it works..... but don't lean on it as the only way of getting women.

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This is the description they give:
"Blackbook is a relationship management tool that will help you get laid more often, with more girls and with less effort. Seamlessly import girls from Facebook so that you can categorize, rate and learn more about the girls you are interested in or have hooked up with in the past.

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You bio is a huge key to this.
Online dating is different from approaching.

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