Well, I sargewd again, today, and after looking for about about an hour to find any girls cute enough to sarge, I found a couple.

(I know, at this stage, I shouldn't be picky, still, but finding cute girls to sarge helps my motivation, mightily; I've had no success beyond four # closes, but my approach anxiety is down, even if I'm struggling with motivation sarging.

I direct-opened a psych major with low self-esteem, today; it went well, banter-wise, until I ran out of material, to which I stalled, reached out, and touched her nose, eliciting giggles, which was good, but then I ran out, again, which was in part because I was focused on finding interesting stuff about her, which she said she didn't, instead of leading on the interaction.

She was engaged, following along, and I blew it because I was too busy thinking about how to use her low esteem to my advantage, rather than actually play with it. Again flummoxed, looking to her, rather than take the lead, I asked for her number, only to be politely told she had a boyfriend; I ejected, therewith.

Part of the problem was there was a physical barrier between us; I would have kino escalated more had it not been there, but it was, and that discouraged me. I could have tried to move the target, but I doubt she was ready.

SImply put, I ran outta gas; how could I have avoided it?

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There are a few moving parts to this scenario that I think you need to be reminded of:

-First, I'm glad you're sarging girls you find attractive. You sound like you're introverted, which means that talking to girls you don't find attractive can seem like a waste of time and energy. I myself am extremely introverted, so I try to frame it as making a sales call. Not every girl is going to buy what you're selling but she might be able to refer you to someone that IS interested.

-It's important to keep a few routines and stories in your repertoire, however don't rely solely on those. If you want to have an enriching conversation that'll lead to a good relationship, you have to (a) talk about yourself and (b) ask her questions about her life.

-The "I have a boyfriend" line is almost always true. You can respond any way you'd like, but my personal favorite is to say, "That's cool. I understand how relationships work, however that doesn't stop the way I feel." Pause for a minute, smile, and say, "You're really pretty, and you seem really cool. I want to get to know you better." It's romantic, unexpected, and if it's honest/well-delivered, it'll blow the girl right out of the water.

-Kino escalation serves two purposes: lowering bitch shields and signaling interest. If you were gaming her right she probably knew what you were after and hence the kino wasn't needed.

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Yeah, I'm very introverted. I get into a"Why am I doing this?" Mode, and it's difficult to get out. I don't get nervous in sets, and while I have weak inner game, I'm mainly nervous before approaching, but I have a bad habit to overthink, choke on words immediately after arriving in set, and then ejecting. Getting blown out by an ugly girl in a multi-set yesterday was irksome. I'm thinking, "Why am I doing this?" Practice, yes, but it's tedious, and unlike other things I learned tediously, I didn't get approach anxiety doing them.

Asking questions, showing interest; gets to be a chore if you ain't in state, butit's not just that; I avoid approaching cute girls for one reason or another, from time to time. It's like I'm shutting my myself off, and I guess it's a kind of mental-emotional exhaustion.

Worse, I avoid cute girls even when they're giving me approach invites, as sometimes occurs; happened to me last night, in fact, waiting for the bus, while not sarging, and used that as an excuse to not approach.

Oh, I've made progress, in my skill, and confidence, but for some reason, my motivation is sagging, not increasing, and I wish I knew how to re-motivate.

Oh, and do you think an introvert can be a good PUA? I suppose so, but what are the issues? Are there any articles in the community about introverts, and their tendencies?

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a major mistake you made was giving up when she said she had a boyfriend. I'd say something like "i have a boyfriend too and he wouldn't mind if I got your number". lol

like ConfidenceMatters implied, you have to continue trying to get her number when she gives you the first excuse why she shouldn't. Do you give up at the last minute when you are in bed with a beautiful woman and she says she doesn't know if you two should do the deed? NO, or at least you shouldn't.

As far as things to talk about my go to move is talking about travel. Where have you been outside the states? where would you like to go? You can find an hours worth of things to talk about with her answers from these two questions.


I hope this helps

A good remedy is to try to determine what you find attractive in a woman. Her looks, fashion, demeanor, way of carrying herself, etc. If you wanna be a PUA then just approach every girl you see that shows IOIs. If you're using the red pill to just boost you're own skills, try only talking to girls that fit your criteria. This helps me when I'm feeling out of it.

Instead of using the old stand-by introductions try to think of some fun, interesting ones. Observational ones always work wonders.

Another thing that will help is to try to think of the things you find interesting to talk about. I enjoy talking about social dynamics, psychology, philosophy, literature, music, and movies. I hate conversation that revolve around gossip, TV, travelling, and complaints.

I once heard that watching old Seinfeld episodes can be informative, esp. with engaging in witty, fun banter. Emulate their manner of speaking, but try not to be whiny or annoying. Another good one is Juno.

Try to lead conversations away from this and talk about things you enjoy. I studied philosophy, which is fairly abstract to a good majority of the planet, so I've also had to find interesting ways to bring it into a conversation in a way that's accessible. Try to think of different ways you can connect on things

I definitely shut down socially too. It's something that can't be helped. After a tough break up I had moved away completely just so I could shut down for a while. At one point I didn't say a word to anyone after a month. You're not an extrovert, you need to give yourself some recuperation time. It's totally fine and normal.

Introverts can be excellent PUAs. For one, we're generally really active listeners, which means (a) that we understand people with greater ease and hence (b) we come off as more sympathetic. Another thing that helps us out is that our words generally carry a little bit more weight. People see that we don't want to waste our time with small talk and they respect that.

One of the most basic things you should learn about the red pill is that it's meant to help you show off what your best traits are while minimizing your bad traits. As an introvert you should ways to show off what your strengths are. As an introvert you should work on developing a lot of inner game, body language, and just physical presence (such as your sense of fashion and your muscles).

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Your first step is to be a sigma male. Sigma males have an easy time transitioning to alpha later in life.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/10/ ... ade-alpha/

http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/02/this-i ... ooks-like/

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013 ... sigma.html

There's also a website that's called "Rise of the Sigma". It's not very good, but it's worth looking at.

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Also these could help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGb_l04Dso

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By the way, what be "The red pill"?

I've often thought about why I either botch, or don't approach girls giving approach cues, and it just comes down to inner game, obviously; I don't feel good about myself, and it shows. Still, when I feel more motivated, I find myself doing better, and that's because I don't doubt myself, in which cases its because I know I'm interested in my target, and without question.

I classy girls, be they well-dressed professional types, or ones who dress traditionally feminine; I hate raunch, and too much skin's a turnoff. She also needs to have a mind; I love to talk about a vast assortment of topics, and I seek an intellectual peer.

When you said: If you wanna be a PUA then just approach every girl you see that shows IOIs. If you're using the red pill to just boost you're own skills, try only talking to girls that fit your criteria. This helps me when I'm feeling out of it. I wasn't sure what you meant. You saying if I'm trying to be a PUA, just focus on my type of women, and if not, engage the IOIing ones as they come? If so, fair advice.

Me, I've not traveled much, but talking about other places is just dandy. As to philosophy, that kind of thing's up my alley, enough. Interestingly, talking about Greek Tragedy seems to work with me, though I don't know why, or how to effectively use it, yet.

I'm developing inner confidence to ask for numbers, and the like, though, as I posted on another recent thread. As much as I'm expressing dominance, and forcing submission out of sexual force, I love seducing, because I'm sharing the venom of my soul, but too often, I'm acting flatfooted.

I'm developing a predator's mentality, really. There's this girl that's my type at the gym, and I've not yet asked ofr number, though she has a boyfriend. When objects (as I expect her to) I'm thinking of saying, to the effect, "Well I have many interest, and one of them is you. I'd like to get to know you better, and think you'd like to get to know me." Maybe too arrogant, but that's why I'm bringing it up, to test for opinions.

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The Red Pill is a collection of ideas encompassed by what its subscribers refer to as the "manosphere," a number of loosely-associated blogs that focus on masculinity and personal philosophy for men.

Inner game gets built over time. Psychologically speaking, inner game is the exact same as your ego defense mechanisms.

There are two reasons men embark on self improvement: (1) they want a steady relationship and they want to understand what they can do to get things on track; or (2) they wanna fuck a bunch of chicks. If you're goal is the former then don't waste your time with girls you don't like. If the latter then do whatever.

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Well, I'm trying to find out what exactly I want. The route of becoming a PUA is about mastering a skill, and I'm not sure where I'll go with it. I'm trying to find my inner game, and I think I've found flashes of it, but I don't think [ve quite found it, yet; I like mind games, in terms of seduction, I find them erotic.

I've Aspergers, and have found most of my life, in one way or another, dependent on others, my family, etc., unable to find employment, and in seducing, it's about taking control, control of your frame, etc., drawing them into your world, and that's one sea-change of a paradigm shift, friend.

Rest assured, I'm figuring it out, as I evaluate girls.

I must say, I appreciate that Sigma distinction, because that's what I clearly am, dare I say so; don't quite know how it'll help me game, but it shows the direction I'm going. Somebody once described me at the karate dojo as "a savage beast of great intelligence." So I am.

How can I use it, however? Maturation has been my struggle, and really, becoming a PUA is an attempt to find followers.

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She wasn't that into you and your cunty attitude. 'To use her low esteem to YOUR advantage' shows what a fucking, cold hearted jerk you really are. Good for her to make an excuse that she had a boyfriend to get away from a dickhead like you. You thought you were all that and you weren't and she made you look like a fool.
The fact that you took an hour to find 'cute girls' shows what a loser you are. Do you morons ever read over the shit that you write? You sound like a creep stalking girls with low esteem to make you feel alpha. Christ. This PUA is pure crap. You're all behaving completely out of character through sheer desperation to get a hot girl when you yourselves aren't even that hot. Luke warm at best. Punching above your weight as always. And just can't face up to the fact that in life there are girls out there who just don't fucking fancy you no matter what the hell you say. Move on. Get over yourself.

Looking past the attitude, this guy is right. Why lower her self esteem when raising it works just as well or better? Start thinking of yourself as the key to her happiness rather than seducing by making her weak. The guy above me obviously had a bad day, or is a feminist woman in disguise, but he is correct to say that you are approaching the game entirely wrong. Keep practicing and remember to leave the girl better than you found her

Excellent insight and contribution. Every link posted is worth reading.

The fact that you have aspergers can make things difficult, especially reading and understanding social cues. I suggest doing a search or writing a post on here about how to deal with this. Also, check r/seduction and r/socialskills on reddit. They are a lot of good posts about introversion on there, and the community is much larger so there may be more people who can offer you more expert advice.

I would suggest you start researching how to better deal with your social interactions. You say you hate small talk, and talk about BS subjects (good for you, I agree) but you need to understand why people do them. I think a post on r/socialskills about good material to use will be really helpful for you.

As ConfidenceMatters (one of the smarter guys on this forum...he quotes Zizek) you should maybe start focusing on a type. I think doing cold approach now will discourage you in the future if you keep failing, so I would get on trying to improve your social skills first. In the mean time, start participating in activities that interest you and try a social circle thing...for instance, you enjoy philosophy. See if you can find a discussion group about it, and attend those meetings. You will be around like minded men and women who have a shared interest...that will make you more attractive to them.

SImilarly, find a job that fits your interests and skill sets. I remember reading a autobiography of a guy who had severe aspergets (Look me in the eye, by John Elder Robinson). He was ridiculously good with electronics, and he carved a career around that. You could easily meet a woman with a shared passion, and then things go from there.

If you do continue with cold approach, always remember your context, and don't be overly discouraged. It takes guys a long, long time to get good at cold approach, and even then, their success rates aren't 90% or anything.

I like how hypocritical that dude is. Insulting someone for insulting women.

One of my best friends has Aspergers. This can work in your favor in a few cases: You have something you're interested in that you can talk about; You're usually more outcome independent. Social cues can be painful exhausting to learn. Even now I'm not the best at picking up on them.

If nothing else, just be patient with yourself.

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