in all honesty man even on here we can feel your need for acceptance of the outcome. if you notice how their is alot of hostility from the guys on here its because your giving hostility and looking for acceptance.

your looking for advice and someone gives some or states what they think the problem is. you immediately state no your wrong or give me the right answer, or you try and explain why your reasoning is ok.

people on this planet have different view points the idea is to hear them, you have to try and see perspective to understand perspective.

this jealousy thing you have and you even state that you have it. you have it because you are trying to force your perspective onto someone else. When you do that you become outcome dependent.

there is no one answer to every situation. it feels like your plowing every situation

You weren't rude, you just said something I did not agree with. Everybody takes time out of his self-created schedule if there is interest. Pickup does not consume all of your time at all. Everything in Pickup is based on your effort, there is hardly any return of investments. Which in turn shows that you are free to change your schedule anytime.

Donston, what do you do for a living?

Out of curiosity, Straightforward, just how much success have you had with PUA with your current outlook on it?

All i'm seeing is you complaining of women politely turning you down, trying to get away from you but you don't recognise this regardless of what we're all telling you. You're stuck in your ways and your opinions on these matters which would suggest you get some amount of success to reinforce your own view on the situation.

Is it a matter of having success most of the time and you come here to pick our brains about those women who walk away or do you have very little success in general?

GamesSN:
What makes you think that what you and others are saying is helpful to me? Serious question. Have you ever stopped to think that - for whatever reason - it is not? Why don't you take me seriously first? Writing "All i'm seeing is you complaining" is not taking me seriously.

Have you ever tried to apply what we say to you to know if what we are saying is helpful or not? No. You just shoot it down and insist you're right with nothing to back up your claims.

Most of us who are giving you advice aren't simply reading material and regurgitating it down on a page; we're giving advice based on in-field experience and experimentation.

For instance: "I approach women, they smile(IOI), then they leave. They've expressed interest because they smiled. I am right... but they still walk away."
Advice: "You're being too forward and creeping these women out. They're just being nice and fake smiling. Try to not be so forward and in their faces." <-- This is helpful advice!
You: "No, that's not it. You're not helping me. Your 'advice' is bullshit and wrong. I haven't tried this but you're wrong because I said so and it doesn't help me." <-- This should NOT be your reply. If you want more information your reply should be "How do I not be so forward so I don't scare them away?"

In order for something to be unhelpful it needs to either be complete bullshit with no source or backing what so ever or completely unrelated to an issue.

The only unhelpful person here is yourself. You're failing at picking up women, talking to them and even grasping the most basic of teachings. All I, or anyone else for that matter, see is you having read approaching, reading up on one or two IOIs(With no understanding of the specifics), spewing one or two sentences at a woman and running a mile with it then insisting, because you think you understand material you've only gleamed over -- if even -- and enforce broken understandings into your "game", that you're right.

You have no game man. You just walk up to random people and say "hi" then rush all in believing a woman will fuck you because you said "Hello." It's as if you believe women have no emotional needs, feel safe and comfortable no matter the situation and should be reacting the way you want them to just because that's what you want them to do in your head.

You're also skipping massive steps here. You're not even a newbie PUA, you're just approaching and little more from what you say. You've gotten over approach anxiety but not learned about opening(Which is incredibly important) and quite possibly not even approaching properly. Approaching is so little in pick up and essentially accounts for nothing save for having the balls to approach and interact with a woman in the first place.

You need to learn to approach AND open. Once you do this you build rapport and comfort which can take some time THEN you seduce them. You can't approach THEN skip everything else and go for the kiss.

And it's painfully clear that you're getting no results at all with what you're doing. When you grow up, realise you're completely wrong get back to me or anyone else on these forums and we will give some good pointers and information if you're actually willing to try it out.

To answer your question: What we're saying to you should help you because we've been at this much longer than you have, gone through the wrongs and rights of Pick Up and have first hand knowledge of the trials and tribulations of Pick Up.

GamesSN, you literally give the worst advice I have ever seen. I've already stated that in another thread. Instead of complaining about what I do, look at yourself closely.

Now i'm convinced you're just here to troll.

You are convinced of a lot of false ideas, so feel free to add anything to it.

This post has to be a troll post by OP.

reading donstons replies I can tell donstan has to have experience in sales for the very fact

donston hooked him with info (even has a neg in his first post and reply post)

told him a friend could help him

then comes to sale pitch

then explains his reasoning as not to be rude

dude seriously op you just got picked up by a PUA you should pay his friend

props to Donston

Zirk13, why did you write this?

because your living in logic and not the moment. read donstons messages and your replies to him. you where led the entire way in the direction he wanted you to go and now you want to know more about him. the man hooked you. Imo you should listen to him he prooved himself just with you. apply the ideas not the logic

LOL ... I swear I am not trying to make him buy anything. For the bootcamp is in Canada and I'm assuming straightforward lives to far to invest a trip here or does not buy in to his methods. I recommended for him to watch the youtube videos to learn from my Pick Up friend who is an instructor to address his problems. But, he refused and then asked his email address. Then I replied that I cannot give him my friends email address for he is to busy to reply to a stranger. That he is to busy with running his business. Then straightforward misunderstood my reply as hostile ... which is my fault for come out too aggressive. So I properly apologized because my intentions was not to be hostile :p.

Tahahaha but, thank you for the compliment. I will take it ^_^ with open arms!

Cool story, Donston!

No no no ... you don't understand ... The reason why he is a Pick Up Instructor is because Pick up is his life. He moved from Germany a year ago. He had no money or a place to stay. For 8 months he was homeless. But, for that time here he went out 7 days a week. He had a job at a Juicer store where he would close the store during his shift and pick up girls. The manager found this out after 6 months and fired him. All he does is pick up. The reason why he came to Canada is to become a pick up instructor.
- Do you know how many hours it takes to film his infield footages? The last time I helped him film ... it took us 6 hours to get decent footage. Do you know how many hours it takes to edit to make it viewable to spectators and make it legal? He has to release one video per week to satisfy his sponsors. But, enough of the unnecessary off topic conversation :p ...

I think I understand what you are missing! You lack empathy! Don't worry, a high percentage of people lack empathy! Pick up is 50% imposing your agenda to the girl ... which you seem to do fine :p ... and the other 50% is understanding how they feel (empathy). Like being dominant to lead the girl but also show tenderness with your eyes.
Empathy can be learned! I recommend you learn this and research on it!

But, I am a computer system engineer and a software developer. It's fun stuff ... totally adds to my stereo type of being asian :p ...

Any who ... hope you find the answer to your journey. To bad we couldn't help you. You are quite difficult to try to teach :p ... but that also means I need more training with me convincing others with my ideas. I guess I can't convince them all ^_^ ... yet :p.

Cheers,

Donston

None of that happened.