Hello everyone!

It's my first post. I try to make it a short one. Who wants to read long posts anyway, right?

I'm dating with a girl and she has a boyfriend. Her relationship with him sucks and she enjoys being with me more than being with her boyfriend. That's what she told me. I believe her for several reasons.
But...she says she doesn't want to cheat. Makes sense so far, right?

I build enough comfort and trust and I am sure I can break her "I don't want to cheat" resistance.
But than she would feel guilty afterwards, what I don't want.

I could make her break up, but I think I would have to use some pressure and I think it will result in a lot of drama, because she still thinks maybe a wonder happens and her relationship will be magically saved.
Btw: I actually think she should break up, even if I don't benefit from it. But it is not my business. I am just passing by on vacation.

To sum it up: I think she wants to cheat without being a cheater.

I didn't started the seduction phase yet.

Someone any experience or good ideas?

Thanks!

Flow

I don't care about her boyfriend at all.
I just care if she is still happy with me after we sleped together and if she sleeps with me more than ones. ^^

I think I just get alcohol involved. We can blame it on the drinks than.

Today is the date. I don't think I can get her somewhere private today. It's a shame, because I have prepared an awesome 6h date (it's our 3rd date). I concentrate today on two things: building comfort in being in intense and romantic situations with me and anchor love- and couple-related things with me.

Than on the next date I don't need to do build up things, we go for Italian wine at the restaurant and than a movie at a private location. Which translates in: Get drunk, have sex

Sounds like a good plan.

Anyone any better ideas?

Sounds good.
1. She is missing a certain part of intimacy in her relationship, that's why she's hanging with you. When you do have sex, act like she is your gf and she'll feel what she's missing
2. If she starts acting sad after, tell her "it's yur secret but it doesn't have to happen again. Even though it did kind of feel right. Didn't it?" (I've used this several times)
3. Don't even talk about them, or them breaking up. Like you said it's none of your business. Bc it's not like you would make her your girl after, you don't want a cheater lol.
4. You don't want to have her believing that your going to be her bf so don't say things like you would treat her better. If you can't get her by being honest, then there's no point. Your game needs to be tighter than that

But you sound like you know what you're doing. Let us know how it goes

Why do you care if she is happy with you afterwards? You are on vaca right? Good story. Does not sound like it will transform into anything more and I am sure that is not what you wasn't anyway. If she is into it, do what you want. If she does not seem warm to initial advances just make it seem like eh I am going to be gone soon anyway, no skin off my back. She will realize this guy will not be around as a guilt trip so fuck it.

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Just got back from my date.

It's 0:30 and I am drunk. So I make it short.

The date went for more than 7 hours.
I had a lot of fun and she too. I love how she not only smiled, but the smile conquered her facial expression, which is usually serious. She said things like: "You know me way to good!", "That is exactly what i thought!", "I love it to listen to you, when you talk like this.", etc.

I made some soft kino, but I could not to manage to hold hands...or go further...I basically fucked up this part. To my defense: I am in Japan and touching is a bigger deal than in the West. Holding hands could mean to mess things up. On the other hand, I could have gone away with it, since I am a foreigner.

To be honest: I was just afraid of the result.

I couldn't take her somewhere private, so I did what I always to: I prepared the next moves.

We will meet next time to drink (get wasted) and than we go to her place. She wants to show me her Disney CD collection...yeah...Disney...CD...collection...

We drank some wine, she told me how she sometimes cries and that she is looking forward to spend some time with her boyfriend next weekend. I managed to change the subject.

What is the result? I have seriously the feeling to have something beautiful in my hand and I am afraid to break it if I move. Which means right now I'm a AFC which is about to friendzone himself.

She said she could invite some of her friends too, if I want.
That could give me the possibility to hit on them.

BTW: In the moment I actually go to her place to see her Disney CD collection, game will be killed. ^^

@Playboi_ Leaving a girl happy is important to me. Makes me feel good.

Next day edit:

Ok, I can see clear again. I build up enough trust to bring her to my world/my club.
Perfekt. The waitresses gives me kisses, the waiters gives me the drinks a want as soon as I reach the bar. They know me, so I don't have to say a word. The DJ loves me, because I make the people dance.

This is my powerful frame and she agreed to try it out. It will be still my frame at her place. I go caveman, break her last minute and show her heaven.

If it doesn't work, than my game just wasn't good enough. Happens...next girl!

Flow

Hi,
What worked for me:
"As friends you can care for each other right? If you do things because you like each other, it's not a bad thing. We're not random people to each other anymore. And what can be possibly be wrong about making love? It's called that for a reason. You're young, and you deserve a little fun. Let's just make sure it doesn't get out of control".

Something along those lines. You make sure she doesn't feel like a slut (some girls dó want that by the way) and the "we're young and it's just a bit of fun, nothing bad" works fine too.

Good luck!

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Hi, I need your female opinion on this...

The conclusion:

Like I said before: I had the feeling I was about to friendzone myself. I tried not to and told her, that I am not in the position to be a friend and that I view herself different than just as a friend.

She got the message and didn't care. We went drinking and dancing. I used the opportunity for heavy kino, but still no kissing. We bounced to her place afterwards. She made clear that I couldn't stay at her place.
I agreed and even when the situation was perfect I refused to take any further steps to build more trust for the next time.

I set the next date. We wanted to watch a movie at her place. Since nothing happend before, she agreed without hesitating.

I told her that I always cuddle while watching a movie and there will be no expception, she agreed silently.
During the movie I hold her in my arms, pet her, gave her sometimes a kiss on her head or cheeks.

Suddenly I gave her an romantic kiss on the lips. That was the point where the game got difficult. She asked me why I did that. I answered as casual as I could "It just felt right" and starred at the movie while she starred at me, unsure what to do.

I started petting her under shirt. She tried to stop me and said: "Oh no! That is not going to happen!"
A sentence I heard more often that night.
I freezed out, let her go, sat normally, got something to drink and I asked her if she wants something too.
The freeze out worked, she felt unconfortable and let me start again where I stopped.

She said that she don't want to sleep with me. She was serious, so I tactically agreed not to have sex with her today. I acted as serious as I could. I promised in a way that it sounds as if I would die to keep the promise. I also made clear that it only counts for sex and only for that day. Since than there was no resistance from her side anymore.

As promised I didn't had sex with her, but I did everything else and it drove her crazy. I even turned the tables and told her that now she has to wait for the sex. She was hungry for it.

On the next date we had awesome sex.

Anyone some suggestions for improvements?

Thanks for your support so far!

Flow