The pickup community seems to be about a couple of things only:

1. Dealing with insecurity, improving your confidence and social skills in general. Inner game.

2. Learning the art of seduction, to read people, and know where you are in the "game" at any given moment. Be tactical and know how to deal with various obstacles. Outer game.

Now, some things I've been missing, both here and on other forums, both in the way questions are asked and what "gurus" teach... Showing women respect! How about knowing that you may indeed be intruding a girl's personal sphere and that she doesn't want to talk to anyone at all? I read a post on fb currently about being a "Shrödinger's rapist" (from Shrödinger's cat, quantum mechanics). Some girls are wary and extremely sceptical about strangers approaching and saying "hi", no matter how innocent i may be. Everyone is a potential rapist, hence the QM-inspired term, and some girls are scared. Does anyone in this community (beginners mostly) consider this when going out approaching women, maybe on the streets doing day game?

And how about all those newbie alpha males? Do they know that you don't just pinch a girl's ass because you have learned to be a dominant badass? I'm not saying PUAs doesn't treat girls in a good way. I'm actually wondering honestly whether it is taught somewhere, if it is part of the "PUA teachings"? I have not read anything about this anywhere.

I think everybody's style and game is different.

Some people are super slick and almost salesy
Some people are just pricks and assholes
Some people are just weird
And some people are just old fashioned and pull off the gentleman role

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Both David De Angelo and Carlos Xuma promote chivalry such as opening doors for girls and other gentlemanly gestures. Slywalker also promotes chivalry in one form or another.

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I always hold the door open for my girls but I still smack their ass when they walk by. Treat the ones who are worth it like your fucking princess... Just make sure she knows she's replaceable.

hahaha, exactly.

When I wrote "gentleman" I really didn't mean the old fashioned type. I only meant showing respect for the girl. "Smacking their ass" as "TheMajikalMethod.com" wrote is not what I would call respectful. Whether a girl appreciates that depends on her though.

Since game is about getting successful with women, why not add "show some respect" to the list of "techniques"? I know for sure that everyone wants respect, and that guys would be much more successful if they did that.

It depends on the woman. I don't grope women unless i've closed them or they've shown that's the way they expect to or want to be treated by me.

It's a fact 99% of women out there don't want random strangers pinching their asses or groping the shit out of them without knowing them in some shape or form first. I thought this was all common sense for most men out there: Don't be the perv that goes around groping women like a sex deprived horn dog.

I open doors for anyone if i'm first in and will hold a door for a few seconds until they pass or hold it for themselves to pass. It's just manners to do this and shouldn't be attributed to being "alpha" or "AFC." Just simple manners. Slamming a door in someone's face isn't going to get you brownie points in any shape or form unless you're clearly just pissing about with a chick you're messing around with. Of course, if you're really fucking busy and in a rush there's no problem in passing through and not waiting around.

PUA is how you interact with women and your ability to close and say/do the right things. If being a gentleman is your style it's not the governing nature of being a pick up artist, it's just how you are. There are MANY types of personalities out there and many different types of personae to pick up women in general. I completely disagree with people who size PUAs up based on their "style" or type of persona and separate these into "levels." As far as i'm concerned your "level" of seduction is in how well you are in picking up women, closing them and, most importantly, having women want you above all others.

No.

I do not talk to random women worrying about whether they will consider me a rapist. You cannot go to jail for saying "hi" to someone. I have never been accused, I have never been slapped. And what you call "respect," I call fear. It's like Steve Carrell's character in 40 year old virgin says:

"I respect women, okay? I respect them so much that I stay the hell away from them!"

Soooooo you're wrong. Take the red pill, go down the rabbit hole, and get over yourself.

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How can you show a woman more respect than to treat her like she always wanted to be treated?

Smacking her ass if she likes it, is respectful. If she wants you to smack her ass, and you don't do it, that is not respectful because you don't respect neither your own nor her desires. Same way if she doesn't want you to smack her ass and you do it, it's disrespectful. That's why you learn to read the signs in the first place, to be able to express your sexuality in a respectful way.

About that rapist thing. Yeah probably if I spot a hotty walking in front of me in an empty dark alley, then I probably won't start walking faster to get to her and open her because I might get some hot pepper spray in my face and the cops called on me. But during the daytime, on the crowded street, I don't see how approaching alone can backfire except for extreme cases you'd never expect anyway.

The girl will signal pretty clearly if she doesn't want me to bother her, and then I will simply walk away without offense. I don't see what's not respectful about this, and I don't see many PUAs who preach against this either. Yes I know that persistance is being propagated all the time, but persistance doesn't equal stalking and creeping people out, it's just a cool word for differentiating shit tests from disinterest, and passing them by holding your frame.

But to get to something else. I think what OP is trying to convey here, is that many guys in the game don't actually respect women. They want pussy, but they don't want to really get to know these women as human beings, they aren't playing the game because they like it, they play it because the only thing they care about is their dick getting some meat and this is the only way. And it wouldn't be too bad if PUAs of all kind would emphasize how important it is to not overdo this "leader mindset" and start being sexist as a concept, besides the other important things that they teach.

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