Girl finds me on-line - her pics are GREAT, I'm all smiles. E-mail exchange is short and sweet: I say to end, "P.S. I'm not a big fan of an endless stream of e-mails - better to chat on the phone and meet for a simple yet fun time, IMHO." She replies that she thinks I'm funny and gives me her number.

I call her, we talk for about 30 minutes, it's totally "on". She's clearly engaged and I tell her I'll send her details on a place to meet up. It's a wine bar I hadn't been to before but heard good things about. (Meeting set for 3 days later.)

I show up, find an incredibly good spot: cozy nook, little couch-like area - really the only practical place for two people to sit. She arrives. Sadly, not quite as hot as the photos: probably taken 5 years ago, damnit. But she's still cool, we sit down, I immediately start teasing, C&F, big DHV's (just bought a freaking house - great DHV), bring out some of my canned stories (all real), she's totally mesmerized.

We're in close enough contact for legs to be touching. She touches my arm, I tell her not to touch the merchendise, etc. etc. - she's laughing, all very textbook. I lean into her playfully, she squeals, etc. - I'm sure others watching us would tell us to get a room by now, lol. I tell her to give me her hand, hold hands with her for 20-30 seconds, and say "yup, they fit, we're lucky or this date would be over."

I tease her to go in for a kiss, then pull away. I've built a frame that I'm in control and I'm a smart-ass (which of course she loves). She kind of hugs me, and then kisses me - including tounge. I make an effort to end it first, say "I'm not just a piece of meat, you know", etc. She plays with my hand, then my nipples through my sweater, saying she wished there weren't so many people around.

Date ends, we "Italian kiss" good-bye. She texts me about an hour later, "thanks crazy boy", I text back "brat, brat, brat! "

Rather than call her in a few days, I try texting her, "call me re weekend plans" - and she does. We plan to get togehter on Saturday, she'll drive up to my place after her work, we'll jump in my car and do something. (Originally planned to get outside for a hike but the weather sucked.) Afternoon goes on, she texts me that she's leaving work. Shortly thereafter she texts that she just rear-ended someone! I reply by asking if she's ok, etc. She is, but then is fairly unresponsive. I let her know that she's welcome to continue heading my way - or not, her call. No response. I call her an leave a v-mail, along the lines of:

"I understand if you felt like going home to recover - hopefully you had a great hot bath to unwind. But I need you to do something: give me a call when you can. I can't stress this enough: I will not become Mister Stalker Guy here - you need to call me."

She doesn't call back Sunday. I'm thinking perhaps she got Buyer's Remorse. Then she does call on Monday around lunch, leaves a v-mail. I passed the shit test. I call her back Monday eve, very non-chalant about it all... "damn girl, if you didn't have bad luck, you'd have no luck at all... etc." She's very apologetic, "Let me make it up to you..." Nice frame to be in! I tell her I'll call her back on Thursday. She's calling me "hon".

At this point, it's pretty obvious I can take this anywhere, but now having second thoughts. Saddened that her pics weren't reflective of reality. Couple of other HB running in parallel now too.

Dude this is brilliant, I'm gonna use this vm. We all deal with the kind of crap she gave you all the time, sorry she flaked on you, but it sounds like you snapped her out of it. Posts like yours are the kind of posts people need to be making more of. Can't thank you enough.

I dont think I would go after this one anymore, it is apparent that you arent THAT attracted to her and that any further effort with her would lead to some possible bad sex, and nothing else. And, please do not let girls you arent even attracted to blow you off, or whatever she did, and then win you back by being really apologetic. Call it a loss, learn from the mistakes and throw your line back out with some better bait (aka more pua knowledge)

Well, don't want to say I'm not attracted to her, just that I had built her up in my mind as HB9 when she's not - probably HB7-8 instead, but boy that's kind of a difference, in contrast. At the same time, based on her pics, she's got a LOT of friends (female) who I could definitely see wanting to know. As such, perhaps a pivot. I've set a goal of making 5 new female friends in the next few months - friends of either dating quality caliber, or pivots.

lets see the pics please