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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:39 am 
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For 6 months, Ive been going nothing but natural. Ive got a few good hookups but Im still not living the playboy life. Going natural often leaves me with nothing to say. I thought I would adjust and improve but its not the true. Ive stayed the same person.

Well, Im converting to canned convo. What should I Know?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:25 am 
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There's really two possible problems that prevent you from being a natural with your pickup.
1) You are in reality a low-value potential mate. This could mean your personality and character are weak and uninteresting or that your lifestyle and interests are lacking and low-value. Judging by how you say you have nothing to talk about when you go natural, I would assume that in general you have a boring life. And having a boring life is an easy way to be a boring person.
2) You have low self-esteem or poor social skills. Odds are if you actually have a high-value life then you don't really accept that you are a high-value person. This is the fundamental reason why some guys that have great lives can't get dates – they see themselves as low value. Believing in yourself and loving yourself is fundamental and necessary to being naturally attractive.
To accept dependency on canned, unnatural game is, in my opinion, as pathetic as it gets. It's essentially accepting the idea of being a low-value man and having to take canned lines and behavior that a high value man might have and make-believe it's you. It's dishonest and ultimately unfilling. Get your shit together and become the man women naturally want.
Good luck 8)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:24 pm 
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Haha thanks for the nice ol cold read there buddy.

But unfortunately, as colds reads usually are, it wasn't very accurate.
Maybe I'm too cocky for my own good. But damn I live an interesting life.
I just spent a year and a half hitch hiking in the Middle East, I'm a trained circus acrobat, just standing I can do a variety of flip tricks. I'm an adrenaline junkie and I'll do anything that makes me feel alive. Recently, I got my scuba certification and I'm going on some wreck dives with a buddy soon.
To kindly rebuttal, no I don't live a low-value or anyway boring life.

But still, I get into a conversation and I don't have anything to say, I'm not shy, I'm very confident.i don't get nervous, simply I have nothing to say.

Thanks for enduring my rant.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:48 pm 
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Hi,

First of all, I'd like to say that my own "game" still needs work, but I just wanted to offer my thoughts on this situation. There are two main points I'd like to make:

1. You seem like you have a FANTASTIC life! You have lots of cool stuff going on! Which begs the question... WHY don't you talk about this lifestyle to women?! Do you assume, wrongly I might add, that girls aren't gonna find this stuff cool, and therefore ATTRACTIVE? You claim that you often find yourself with nothing to say. This should never be the case if you discuss the fun stuff you do! You don't have to boast, but just talk about what you do, and it will enhance your status as a cool, fun, intriguing guy!

2. If, in spite of all of this, you STILL find yourself struggling for things to say, just talk LESS! If you calibrate right, this can work positively for you on two key levels:

a) If you talk less (or even not at ALL for short spells) and maintain strong eye contact and dominant body language, you will increase sexual tension, which will in turn lead to arousal & sex, if you play it right!

b) Girls generally LOVE talking about THEMSELVES! So if you can't think of anything to say, don't sweat it! Silences don't need to be awkward. Just let HER fill the silence, and then you can "bounce off" one another by continuing to chat, flirt, escalate, and hopefully fuck!

Just my two cents.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:40 pm 
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It wasn't a cold-read, as I said you either 1. have a low-value life (which you don't) or 2. are incapable of communicating your value because you either have low self-esteem or for whatever other social inability. You say you have nothing to talk about, which is a direct contradiction to saying you have an awesome life. As the guy in the previous post points out, you should be talking about your life and who you are. The whole point is to get to know each other.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:13 am 
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thanks for the feedback everyone.

The message Im picking up is to simply talk about myself, or allow the girl to talk about herself.
firstly, I've done that yet not had many meaningful deep conversations.
Secondly, Any random Joe who has never heard of PUA can do that and not expect any positive results.

How can i improve my conversational skills?
I want to say the right things at the right time and its not always talking about going skydiving.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:01 am 
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Check out Kezia Noble's ''10 hook lead system''. I know all of her stuff isn't pure gold, but these videos actually contains good tricks about how to create a deep connection. It helped me anyway, give it a try.


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Do your thing, maintain your usual energy level, and collect.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:37 pm 
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Thanks everyone except soul fighter,
You said that I'll just figure it out and everything will work out perfectly. That's bullshit
Cause I've spoken with a few thousand women in my life but I haven't
Figured it all out.


I'll check out the kezia noble thing,


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:14 am 
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I think a lot of 'not having anything to say' is about letting go and talking about random shit. I'm not shy at all, never nervous, quite sarcastic/funny and chip in with the odd comment here and there, but even around friends I used to be quiet. I'd let them run the conversation and I'd chip in. I was fine in fairly formal conversations or where we had a clear mutual interest (football, or work or whatever), but if that mutual interest didn't come up early on or after we'd ran out of things to say about it, I would often struggle to run the conversation myself.

If you like, you could say I had 'conversation management' issues rather than any issues with confidence or being interesting or anything else.

Talking about yourself is fine, but don't over do it or people will probably think you're a bit of a bore/boast. Likewise, letting the girl talk about herself is fine, but don't turn it into a question and answer session where you basically just ask her question after question.

As I mentioned earlier, let go and just talk shit. Think about the canned lines. What are they on about? Most of them talk about something completely inconsequential and are often just downright stupid. But many of them work. Why? Because - cliche alert - what you say isn't important really. It's the emotion you're evoking.

Even when people say "it's not what you say, it's the way you say it" - to an extent, that's nonsense. Stuff like body language and voice tonation and whatever can and do have a place and can improve your game (especially body language if yours is particularly bad to begin with). But really, the most important thing is to get the girl actually having fun with the conversation.

Now from what you've said about yourself above, talking about yourself could easily get people to have fun. I'd love to hear some of the stories you must have, I'd find that very interesting and would enjoy myself listening. Yep, people do like to talk about themselves. People have fun talking about themselves. So yeah, ask questions about the girl, of course.

But think about other stupid conversations you've had. Perhaps the best examples are of flirty text messages. Often you talk shit, you repeat yourself, you are making everything sexual and putting loads of ;) symbols in there. Read it back. It's a terrible conversation. You would probably never try to have a conversation like that. But you both had fun whilst doing it.

Right, I'll stop rambling, but my two final tips:

1) Mental attitude/mindset. I think just going in planning on being a "cheeky chappy" is massively important. Think about being back at school, there were two types of "naughty" kid. Those who just got in trouble, and those who seemed to charm the teachers and even when they were being naughty would often get away without any serious consequences (think Zak in Saved by the Bell). Think about those flirty texts where you go in with the mindset of being risque, making sexual innuendos and jokes.

Go into conversations thinking that you're going to have some fun with the person. You're going to wind them up a little bit. You do this in your own way - your own personality shines through. Some people might tell actual jokes to do this. Others might be a bit more sarcastic. Whatever.

But go into the conversation planning to have fun yourself BY sort of being cheeky towards the other person.

NB: This is still the case, in my opinion, for all but the very most serious conversations. Even if you're having a fairly deep conversation about aspirations and stuff, it's still good to have this 'self amusement' type mindset. Obviously tone it down the more serious the conversation gets. So in a very flirty conversation, you might have every line or every 1 in 2 lines as the cheeky chappy line. If you get on to career aspirations or something, you might knock that down to every 1 in 3 or 1 in 4. If you're talking about how their grandmother died last week, you're probably going to want to think very carefully about doing it at all! But you get my point. Self amusement, cheeky chappy persona, put your own sense of humour forward as often as possible. Start at this point and tone down if it gets serious - don't start low and try to build up. It's much easier to start in cheeky chappy mode and work down if it gets serious than it is to start low and build up.

2) Actually use text and online messages etc. more as practice. Now I don't advocate using these as a replacement for in person practice. Not at all. BUT they are pretty useful when you have this "conversation management" type problem. The thing is, you don't need to think of anything witty straight away, you don't have any awkward silence. For all the other person knows, you're just making a drink. So it lets you think through how best to respond to a certain text in this 'cheeky chappy' persona. It helps you get some ideas, and get into that mindset. It's then much easier to think on your feet and act in this way when you're in person.


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I'm probably one of the most lazy seducers around. I don't say much. I love awkward silences, deep eye contact, slower/lower speech. This allows me to think on my feet without having to worry about filling the silences. If you can be comfortable in silence, and you've opened well enough (ie the girl is investing in you) then she will try and fill the gaps.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:38 pm 
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The last 2 responses were extremely helpful.
I'm definitely gonna implement their advice.

Thanks everyone.

See you at the finishing line.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:23 pm 
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I have similar problems with day game, though I'm only 5 approaches into it... I believe your issue is that you think you can only talk about very specific things with women. That's total bullshit. You can talk about whatever you want and turn girls on. It's so attractive to them when you say what YOU want.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:54 pm 
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I have a different take on your plight. I find women are the most responsive to personal passion and enthusiasm it's what makes a person seem attractive because it means some of that would potentially leak out in a relationship (or a fling) and be worth the time and emotional investment compared to other less interesting options.

Based on what you are describing and the way in which you describe it, you seem to exude low enthusiasm. The fastest way to be dismissed by women is to be a dial-tone. Natural game works because it lets the inner you shine through more than canned routines, which are indeed strategic but empty. Some girls uncontrollably want to fill that emptiness with their own passions as a challenge, but if the real you never shows up they loose interest.

My suggestion would be to fill the "I have nothing to say" parts with your own personal passions. Get excited about something you love and talk about it. You can stay collected while you do it, but the passion has to come through. Peppered with strategic wording and calculated mystery and any girl will want to know more. with that hook you have leverage to move to the next steps and they have an investment in you.

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Try recording yourself You may have some sticking points you aren't aware of

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