Guys I'm getting really down and depressed here. I can't figure out where I am going wrong and desperately need help! So this very scenario has happened to me on at least 7 dates now. I Take the girl out and we get a drink and have dinner. Great conversation everything is going well. I make sure I bounce the girl to a couple venues we then go for a walk. I have a whole system down now that seems to work well at least to an extent. Anyway at the end of the night I go for the kiss and always get it. Not just a little kiss either. Full on make out that usually gets pretty hot. The girl goes on her way and I we make tentative plans to go out again. Boom everything seems right with the world. But I go to make the next date and they flake! WTF??? Why does this keep happening guys? Where am I going wrong? I really don't understand as everything seems to go fine and I get a full on make out with every girl. Clearly I'm doing something right as well! Please help if you know of some step I'm missing or something I'm doing wrong. It would be greatly appreciated!

I'm not one to offer advice since I'm awful when it comes to taking women out on dates. In all honesty, just try hitting up two or three of the women who recently flaked and just straight up ask them what's up. Easier way to find out what the problem is would be just asking them straight up. But definitely don't say shit like "why won't you go out on another date with me."

Okay. Definitely do not ask anyone why they flaked on you. They're going to lie and say they were either too busy or got sick. Even the busiest girl in the world will make time for a guy she wants- seven nights a week.

Simply put, you lost the attraction. It seems like you are doing things right and just ran into some bad luck. It happens, and I know how much it stings. One of the hottest girls I've ever met online... I met her and did everything right on the date. Made out with her passionately, and she even texted me that night telling me how handsome I was and how she wanted to see me again. Haven't seen her since. Women can and will flake out at any time. That's why it's all about capitalizing while you have their interest.

How far in advance do you plan your second date after the first one? I know it would seem wise to plan it in advance so you can DHV and not seem like you have tons of free time... but I personally think you should strike while the iron is hot. Try planning your second dates 1-3 days after the first one and see if you get less flakes.

Also, just in case you haven't figured out... do NOT text these girls shortly after the date to tell them what a good time you had. And don't tell them to text you when they get home or something. I've found women to be very predictable in this way. If they text me within a few hours after the date is over (or the next morning/afternoon if it was a late night date) then I almost always get a second date. And if I don't hear from them until I send a text? It ain't happening. Let me know if this helps

Yes I appreciate it. It's very insightful. I don't know how I'm losing the attraction. We make out for a while and then say good night. I'm not at all needy other than asking them out again. I usually just ask on the spot hey lets get together again and they tell me sure. Then I go to setup and just get flaked on. Yeah it's very frustrating. I mean this last girl was making out with me so passionately I honestly couldn't believe for a second she would flake and yet she did! I mean she talked to me a few times after but won't make a date. Just gives me the run around. I just don't fucking understand!!!! Am I not hooking them enough? Just not enough attraction building? Not enough comfort perhaps? I can't imagine why they are so into kissing me but who the hell knows. I'm just starting to feel like there is too much competition online and girls just want to date guy after guy for fun. Granted I'm not a tall guy and I'm bald but I am at least better than average looking. I think I just don't live up to their ridiculous standards. I'm good enough to kiss but not good enough to date apparently.

The only other thing I can think of is to try not to mention a second date while you're on the first one. Plant a little bit of a seed of doubt in their mind. Think about it- you have a hot make-out session with them and then take off without making any plans to see them and without contacting them. The uncertainty will eat away at them and they'll text you trying to capture your interest. I never ever ever set up a second date while on the first one. Mainly because girls will always agree to it when you're face to face but if they aren't interested they'll just flake. So don't risk seeming like too much of an eager beaver.

my question is, if they are flaking on you, are they texting you saying they cant go or what.

a flake could be as simple as the girls arent sure about something towards you. even tho they flaked did you try to set up something again some other time.

What I would suggest is find a way to see them again in a way that doesnt seem like a date.

from that sounds of it im just assuming your setting up dates and setting up second dates. it seems almost predictable in that way. you even say you were making out passionately at the end of the date. that even seemed predicatable find a way to change it up

What context are you talking to these girls in. Are you super sexual or super lets have a relationship. Either are fine but if they are expecting one thing and they are getting something different that could be confusing/disappointing. Stay congruent from chat to text to in person..