Hey guys,

I'm Derin, and I am from Europe. Currently I am dealing with a serious problem in my life and if you are willing to help me then I will really appreciate it, because in this moment I feel like I need it the most.

The story:
I am in hopeless love with a girl for over 2 years on facebook, but I never really approached her directly. And it's not just these illusions I made up in my head because of her looks and all, well yeah some of them are, but it's more than that. Last year she opened an account on ask.fm (a site where you open an account and can get questions from anonymous people and you answer them, all of this is visible on a wall/page) and that's where I found a lot of interesting things about her that attracted me. I asked her there if she was curios to see who I am and she said yes, but I was too shy and I didn't reveal my identity, because I thought I wasn't prepared for her and I would embarrass myself. Anyway I really feel a connection with her, like we have so much in common but she doesn't know me at all.
Anyway, I didn't do anything for months and months until now. I sent her a message on facebook regarding a philosophic quote, and gave her my opinion on it. That was my opener, I thought it was interesting, that no other guys would approach her like that. She didn't respond to it. The next day, I opened up like this:

Me: "Hey, I have a question for you, but I want to see if you're online first"
*No response at all... then after 10-15 mins I tried again*
Me: "Random question: Chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream?"
*I didn't get any response now either. Then I complimented her clothing she had on a picture. After a few minutes, she unfriended me on facebook, and ignored me totally, without even saying a word.
After 30 mins I decided to message her this:
Me: "A part of me was almost sure that you wouldn't have a sense of humor at all, especially since you're a "little" better looking than many people. BUT... I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway... and find out IF maybe you had anything more to offer than just your "looks". Have a nice day and a happy life! "
Her: "Thanks, wish you the same! "

And that's all of it... now I know I should be moving on to another girl but I really cannot. I am really depressed and I feel like I need some advice. I really want to know her better, I am curious what personality she has, that's what is bothering me. I know she is a really good and unique person and I like the little part of personality I know about her, and I am really REALLY curious to discover her more, and let her discover me. I am hopelessly in love with this girl and I don't know what to do... What can I do to make her give me a chance?

Do you honestly need us to tell you to grow the fuck up, stop being a creep and move the fuck on?

Two years on FB. Chick is online and actively avoiding you. When you basically say "Goodbye forever" only then does she acknowledge you saying, basically, "Good riddance."

She has absolutely zero interest in you. Zero. Deal with it. Move on. Stop creeping.

Too many of these retarded threads and here's news for you: PUA isn't the place for carebear shit like this. You've only done this to yourself, not her, not your mother, father, friends or anyone else. Sorry to be harsh but sometimes people just need to hear this shit, they need a kick in the ass to shake them up.

If you ever decide to ditch the AFC mentality and take on PUA feel free to open a new thread asking about how to get involved as a Pick Up Artist and i'm sure there will be a bunch of people giving you some solid advice that will help you not only with women but your personal life and get you off the net stalking women you've never met before.

I appreciate your honesty and your advices. I know this is a really big AFC attitude, but fuck, I cannot help what I feel. At this level is what I feel for this girl emotionally about her personality. I think this was more than just involving a PUA attitude, or I don't know how to describe it. I know I am a huge creep by stalking her like that online, but the reason that it's been so much time it's because I was a pussy to talk to her directly until now.

Anyway, sorry for bothering you guys with my shit, and if you still have suggestions and still think that something can be done, please tell me. I really appreciate the harsh advices, I know that in this moment I am a butthurt guy, a pussy, etc. and I should really MAN up, but it will take some time to recover.

Thank you.

You didn't run game on her properly, wtf were u doing? Alright here is what you did wrong and how you can fix it, 1 you pulled too hard without any push. 2 You had long drawn out sentences which is not alpha. We get straight to the point AFC's do not. 3 YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND SHE HAS FLAWS ASWELL AND THAT THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE LIKE HER DO NOT PUT HER ON A PEDISTAL. 5. YOU OPENED HER WRONG, YOU SHOULD HAVE EITHER 1. Said something like Bitch, I hate you! which is risky but pokes her intrigue, then after she replied said something to the effect of "HAHAHHAHA I was just fucking around, what's up!" or 2 Said something that categorized her, "You seem like the type of person who __________" she would have instantly replied to something like that.



As a side note, I love my voice tonality and body language so I usually stay away from online situations because she has the ability to instantly judge you. I am not sure what your facebook looks like but it does not sound ultra DHV so you should try to fix it up a bit!

You are putting in the effort to getting better with women so I applaud you, if you need help pm me and do not be depressed that's boooring.

Fuck you man there is no reason to be an ass to him.... He is opening up to us and asking for help.

Thanks LongSimple.

Well I read this seduction book (it didn't even have an author, it was titled "how to seduce out of your league") and it seems to me now that it's completely retarded, as well as I am for following what was written in it.

So I guess it's really nothing I can do about this girl, huh? Not even after some time has passed?

Didn't know this was the carebear forums. I thought this was a forum dedicated to self-improvement and learning how to be better yourself with women not crying about women you've been obsessing over for years without even talking to them in person.

No, move on. Work on yourself and open a new thread about learning to be a PUA.

You can do something, but you are going to wait. Before you bag her you need to learn how to game properly and improve your train of thought, every night before you sleep watch a video about pua, I started by watching Julien's videos https://www.youtube.com/user/julienfreetour and then spend 5-10 minutes just reflecting on what you could have done differently during the day to improve your game. You are also going to try to go out once a week and run game on every girl you talk to during the day (I am not saying you need to try to get a lay but I am saying you need to create attraction while staying within the frame of the interaction.) You will make your own realizations about game as you improve but it is important to reflect on your day and find your strengths and places you need to improve.

As a tip I found that it was really easy to game well at first if I got in state through the day. With every interaction boosting my state.

Yeah, I seen a video of Julien and I liked his approach on this matter. Anyway, are you sure I can do something about it after the girl unfriended me on facebook? Basically we don't know each other nor do we have any mutual friends, I find it pretty hard to believe that I can get to her in the future. I mean how can I possibly interact with her, how should I open? But yeah, I know that first I need to get better at this and learn from my mistakes.

Do you ever see her?

I never seen her, there is no way we could anyway. Well maybe there is, but that involves further stalking and I don't want that. We are in the same city though. But what I mean is if I can do something on facebook after she unfriended me and after I said goodbye to her.

If you can find a way to open her then you can get her once you know how to game well.

Fucking hell...

Right, stop listening to scrubs, OP. The advice you've been given is just unhelpful.

What you need to do tomorrow is go to a sports store, sink 20-30 on some cheap weights(10-15kg, preferably ones you can change the weights on) and spend 5-10minutes a day doing simple exercises. If it's too heavy for you get lighter weights and don't be ashamed about it, you'll work towards something heavier. In a week you'll be toned up considerably compared to what you are now(Presuming you don't do any exercise) and feeling 110% better. If you're fat just stop eating chocolate and fizzy drinks, just drink water(Water itself will make you feel better and, after a week or two, have you feeling more energetic, healthy and happier).

Work on yourself, read some PU material like MM and The Natural(Or whatever some of the other established forum users here will suggest) and get that down. Read "The Game" for a good story and motivation when it comes to PUA. Don't try the newbie challenge, don't put yourself out there just yet and for the love of god don't watch videos about PUA. They're mostly bullshit and won't help until you're looking for specific information when you're actively out in the field and need to improve certain aspects.

Work on your "Alpha" body language and posture(Shoulders straight, head held high, feet apart when standing, walk in comfortable slow strides, don't frown and be comfortable smiling). Look up more on Body Language and start making it who you are as a man when you wake up in the morning every morning. This will take time but you will start feeling more confident and notice more attention coming your way.

When you work on this for a week or two and get more confident start earning PUA techniques and routines as a crash course in PUA(Mystery Method is great for this just don't bother trying magic tricks). Once you do that, approach women and knock down that barrier on Approach Anxiety(AA).

That's the first step.

Second step is learning how to tell levels of interest in you from both men and women and your standing in groups and with individuals. I won't go on about anymore of this because you don't need everything handed to you in one go. Take things in phases and move on from each phase learning each along the way.

And for the love of god stop thinking about this woman. Do NOT do this for her. Do it for yourself! Cut off this thread and stop listening to idiots telling you "you could have a chance." Why? Because it does no good for your mentality. You're obsessed with this girl, you have oneitise and looking for solutions on how to get her isn't going to help you with your obsession. Move on, occupy your mind with something else(Such as self-improvement FOR YOU!!).

This is what I said to him in a more descriptive manner.