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Is the friendzone the result of nice guy syndrome…i.e you want her from the beginning but never make a move? Because I was thinking about how many people I know who started off as friends and ended up in a relationship and I was wondering how this occurs? Could it be that because they were genuinely friends/platonic and neither one of them was just being friendly to get in the others pants, and so they weren’t put in the friendzone?

Or was it the case that there was always a base level of attraction between them, even though they were 'friends'. But can you be 'friends' without being in the friendzone

Any explanations would be appreciated...its something I've always wondered about

It is my personal belief that every man has a window to get with any girl he wants. Some windows are smaller than others, some of those windows require the man to harbor the right attitude; others to apply the right conversation. Sometimes you just need to fucking be there. But there's almost always a shot.

Men and women get together when that man is there for the window and he doesn't fuck it up. If a man missed his window and does not care, then I think the two can be friends. However, I suspect most man-woman friendships are comprised of men who have missed their window and are sticking around, should it be open again.

If two friends get together, these are the conditions I believe them to be under:
1. The guy underwent a considerable change that lends itself to new mystery about him (losing 50+pounds, landing a great job, winning the lottery, etc.)
2. The two were in relationships when they were friends and now those relationships are over, freeing them to date
3. The girl's sexual market value has depleted over time and she exhausted all other options

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Are there ways to open/re-open a window? Or do you think it is entirely dependent on the girl?

I'm no expert but I'm sure that the only way to re-open the window is with no contact. I'm trying this at the minute so I'll let you know if it works out.

I'm in a situation where I have been friends with a girl for about 10 years but we've always been with other people in that time.

I had my window and blew it. Tripped on the first hurdle of LMR and since then I can tell she's gone colder. I'm two weeks into no contact and meeting other chicks, making my life more interesting etc.

I definitely agree with the window philosophy, it's easy to identify when it suddenly closes.

Thats what i say all the time. MOST couples get together after being just friends for a long time. Simply because you get to know the person better and better and you have enough time to figure out if the other person could be a possible partner.
Starting a relationship from a friendship is the best thing ever. At least in my opinion. You dont get to know a person when you dated 3-4 times for a few hours. It might be enough to lead it to sex but do you know the other person then? No.

But here is the biggest problem: 98% of the guys accept being put in the friendzone. Why? They think "Oh maybe if i can keep her as a friend she will realize one day what a great guy i am and change her mind" Well thats not going to happen. You HAVE to do something to get out of the friendzone. Remember, the reason she put you there is because you acted like a girl no like a man!

From my experience, women-men friendships escalate to sexual in about 3 months. Anything longer than this ends up in the friendzone. Most of these relationships consist of girl who is too nice to hurt him and guy who lives hoping for his "perfect chance". In my opinion, most friendships with females are a waste of energy and distract you from getting a girlfriend.

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I tend to keep a few female friends around as a gateway to meet more girls.

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Not at all. Awful advice. Ive met plenty of people for who this is not true, myself among them. I wouldn't say this is tru for anywhere close to most. Even if it may be true for some. If anything, better relationships have come out of sexual and romantic interaction from the start for me. OP, do not fall into the trap of thinking that to be in a good relationship, you need to be "friends a for a long time" first like this poster says. Strike while the iron is hot, and believe me, if you work on what many people call "inner game" (I call it self-confidence and a personality), belief me the iron will be very very hot from the start, and you won't have to waste time being friends with women you want to bang or date. If you want to get to know them and you are attracted to them, just date them, that's what dating is for. If you don't like them once you get to know them, break up, no need to be friends first to find out, send mixed messages, waste time, squander a good opportunity just because you think you need to screen extensively before you date. Dating IS extensive screening. Do not listen to the quoted post, it's horrible advice quite frankly. Waiting is for wusses. In this world, you've got to go out there and get it while you have a chance. As they say, "if you don't, somebody else will."