I stupidly gave her too much power



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:45 am 
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Girl is a HB7.9 from a logical standpoint, HB11 from the POV of my love-corrupted mind (sorry, but the mind shenanigans are strong). Cute, introverted, career-oriented. Met in school. INTJ, extremely practical woman. An avid reader. Intelligent and crafty. I love her to bits and I am pretty sure she knows this.

Situation:
I recently got into a relationship with a woman (approx 3 weeks ago). We've been seeing each other like 3-4 times a week, and probably known each other for a little over 3 months in total. I have NEVER had a relationship prior to this, and only started communicating with girls on an active basis a year or so ago.

This is my first relationship, so I didn't exactly understand the mechanics to it. Since this is my first, I also experienced massive emotional roller coastering, neediness, and all kinds of other insane, euphoric/horrible emotional spiking in the first couple of weeks. The emotional roller coastering hasn't gone away, but I think I have regained my mental faculties slightly now.

I guess the main issue was that I was overly eager to please. Thinking back, I realized that I made a huge amount of mistakes that grossly shifted the balance of power in her favor.

My Mistakes
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-On dates I would bring her to all the places I loved. Adventures. Alas, as a result, she now knows more about me than I do her. -I'd ask her where she wanted to go rather than lead by default. -I told her a lot about myself. My thinking process, my life before her, and music and series I like. Not the insecurity and beta part though, I'm stupid but not that stupid. Nevertheless, I'm no longer as mysterious as I'd like to be. -I was anxious, it definitely showed on a physical level -I was constantly worrying if she secretly liked other guys more than me. I didn't say anything because I didn't want to look needy, I don't know if not saying anything helped or not. -I agreed to do everything she requested (2-3 requests so far). -I suggested and made an assload of promises to help her (more because I didn't know what to say than anything else). -I complimented her a lot (3-4 times over the course of these 3 weeks). She now seems to take it for granted that I like the way she looks regardless of how she dresses. -I accommodate to her schedule (which is busy as fuck). She tells me her free days first and asks whether I want them or not. I only realize how beta this is as I type it ;_; -I always jump at the idea of a date with her and agree immediately. -During a karaoke session with her and our friends, I sang the Corrs' "what can I do to make you love me". I only realized how fucking needy this made me sound midway through, even though it was not openly targeted at her. -I was irrationally terrified of awkward silences (less so now but still) so I would often try to fill them without thinking. -Giving up my work time to look up stuff she likes. -I'm terrible at humor. -I'm terrible at flirting. -I'm terrible at kissing, and have not made lip to lip initiation yet. -More shit I can't remember at the moment -I haven't actively been looking for situations where she can commit and become invested in me, it's mostly been me investing in her.
As a result, I don't know how far into the beta zone I am in her eyes.

Some additional details
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-I had some idea of the concept of betadom and over neediness from prior readings, and was aware of my betaness. I was hiding it consciously where I could. (refrained from spamming her, did not call her, kept trying to keep text conversations on a 1:1 reply ratio) -She is always the one who initiates our daily text conversations (we are both busy people). -I almost always answer her texts later than she does mine (not deliberate, but because I am honestly fucking busy) -I initiated physical contact consistently and gradually prior to asking her out. Initially she'd withdraw, but after I confessed she has been relatively liberal with physical contact. (no sex yet tho) -She says I am more mature than her ex. I do not know if this is good or bad because she automatically started comparing me to her ex goddamn early in the ship. (despite my attempts to distract her from it) -I have met her best friend and she has met mine -I have served as her emotional pillar twice already (she has family issues). I don't know if this is encouraged or not, I have not been able to find any information advocating/dissuading such behavior on any forum yet. -She has not flaked on a single date yet.


Only after 3 weeks is my brain getting over the 'OMG I GOT A HOT BOOKWORM GIRLFRIEND' stage. (late and failworthy, I'm sorry...) I recognize that she is a normal human being, although still not as definitively as I'd like to.

Unfortunately I also realize now the gravity of the power that I've been giving her (far too much attention, and via my betaness) since the start.

Problem:
I (stupidly and willingly) gave my girlfriend too much power at the start of the relationship.

I am looking for methods of regaining power in the relationship. I am also looking to build attraction and interest. But the main concern is still the power balance. Examples would be great because my romantic experience is zilch. As you can see, I am a fucking AFC and an inexperienced one at that.

The material the PUA community provides is amazing, but I'm having difficulty trying to apply (mainly out of my own lack of practical understanding).

I don't want to continue putting her on a pedestal or support this power imbalance, but at the same time I don't want to do something insanely retarded and ruin everything out of sheer ignorance.

My Efforts:

I am actively reminding myself not to make any more promises to her. I am also looking for things to talk about so that I don't have to resort to self-damaging things like making promises, and offering to help (not sure how to go about this, been Googling to little avail). I've also been looking up ways to be humorous and trying them out, but none seem to be netting the desired response. It's mostly just been a quick laugh, probably to humor me.

I've also been looking up ways to flirt but with no gauge to compare my results to, I have no clue what is working and what isn't. I can however say for sure that she hasn't been responding well to them (a smiley at most?).

Tl;dr:

Inexperienced as fuck first timer dumbass gets a gf, screws it up early by leaking major signs of betaness while trying to hide betaness in other areas.

I still want to gain experience from this, but am unsure if my power in this ship is recoverable or if you guys would advise me to move on. If it is recoverable, what do I do to recover it? What should I do to pull the power balance in my favour?

Should I freeze out? If so, is there anything I should know about freezing out before I put it into action (risks, potential overdoing of anything)?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:55 am 
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If we told you that you could get any girl you want if you had money, hit the gym, and knew PUA, would you invest years of your life to achieve the aforementioned to make your life ridiculously awesome?

Long-term thinking is essential to achieving what you want. You can get a jump-start by acting-as-if. fake it until you make it. But that's like drinking non-alcoholic beer. There's nothing better than achieving the status you wish to convey.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:46 am 
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I do hit the gym on a weekly basis, I'm still trying to get to grips with pick-up, and I'm investing time and effort in a career. I'm sorry if I come across as dim, but I'm afraid I'm not quite getting your question. :(

I just want to know whether I should try a freeze-out in my present scenario, or what other alternatives I have to readjust the power differential.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:01 am 
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you have been hanging out with her for three weeks and you haven't kissed her? Do a kiss test routine next time you go out.
From what I can tell, things are going well according to your expectations, but you just want to change from being beta to alpha.
What i would do is google "pua dominance" and start reading. But it takes experience and practice to know what's attractive-dominant and what's unattractive-being-an-outright-jerk. Chances are you will screw up but you will learn from it. It takes a while to calibrate it.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:51 pm 
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Things are going well? I wouldn't say so, the relationship may not seem to be sinking rapidly but I've been making assloads of mistakes so far and don't have a clue how they will factor into things.

Thanks for the heads up on the kiss test routine and PUA dominance. I appreciate it. Is there anything else that may be related/useful to my situation that I should be reading?


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Well you must first take a deep breath and realize that there is no reason what so ever that you should take any action against your current girlfriend(I.e. Freeze her out). What has she done to be frozen out other than respond in a normal feminine way while in the presence of weakness. She's acting according to her nature. If someone came up to you will a million dollars and said HERE. What would you do? Take it of course. And then you would go off buying things and acquiring behaviors you didn't have prior to the acquisition.

There for if you go to a woman with your personal power and say HERE. What is she going to do? Take it of course. And then she'll go off acquiring behaviors that she didn't have prior to receiving the power.

The way to gain it back is to first realize what you are. Understand that she saw you as something " Higher than her" and that is the reason she wanted to be with you in the first place.

I read your post and was like " Man this guy is brilliant, he just needs to chill a bit". And I can almost guarantee you that she is currently thinking the same thing.

You're a brilliant man, so where that shit on your forehead the way indian women do with the red dot. Don't be ashamed. Come back to terms with who you are as a man. Its a lot simpler than I'm making it out to be. The fact of the matter is, she wanted to be with you because she saw you as BETTER than her. And if she's still with you, the chances are she still does. The amount she thinks you're better than her by may just be decreasing a bit. But once you read this post a bunch of times and really internalize what it is I am saying; you're going to be fine man.

I promise.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:49 pm 
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Hey man,

I don't intend to be condescending, harsh, or whatever. But in a nutshell, you would appear to be in a relationship with a girl who you're apparently well suited to, who thinks you're great, and who you would be hopeful of having a future with. ALL of this is positive! Ok, you've maybe made a few mistakes, which is totally normal, as you're still learning the ropes. But you're TOTALLY OVER-THINKING EVERYTHING!

Why are you so concerned with all this "power balance" stuff?! You're a good guy, she CHOSE to be with you because of the qualities you apparently possess, so as far as I can tell, you're in the perfect position!

Don't focus on messing up all the time! If you worry about failing, you WILL fail!

Just stop over-thinking, take the rough with the smooth, and enjoy the ride! ;)


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