I mostly researched MM and older pua stuff I know a lot of guys on here do things way differently. Please bring me up to speed - what's the proper steps to take to open a girl. In both day game and night game -- what are good openers that work

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Hey, i'm X, how's it going?...you will need no more than that

Tiger has the right attitude.

Also, you can toss out a comment about what they are wearing or something that is relevant to what is going on around you.

Just avoid canned bullshit. Fuck Mystery. You don't want to be THAT guy.

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You Do NOT need more info than already in the two nice replies a bove. Simple.

If you wish you can be honest and say:

Hi, you look really cute, what is your name?

Hey, I saw you around and I thought I have to talk to you, you are really cute! What is your name?

Hey, Excuse me, that might sound random but I think you are really cute / stylish or pretty..etc..

One advice; Make up your own pick-up lines that matches your own accent and voice.

IMO Open up and approach is the easiest part of the game, Yet most people have problem with. YES you WILL get rejected many times..So RELAX.

Good advice here.

Just an opinion of mine though, I think opinion openers are perfectly fine to open with, just so long as they are ones you make up yourself and not read in the game or whatever. For example a while back a buddy of mine was telling me how some girl in his work was telling him his hair wasn't ginger it was "Moroccan sunset", so I immediately turned around to this 2-set and asked "hey guys, would you say my friends hair is ginger or Moroccan sunset?" opened perfectly well, opened another 2-set later on with the same opener.

All the opener is, is just an excuse to talk to the girl, it doesn't really matter what you open with, I've always found how you transition to be more important.

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Nice.

I'll also add that sometimes a proper opener is not even necessary. One guy I hung out with actually picked a girl up by just yelling "HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" It was loud in the club and she didn't hear him when he was trying to get her attention, so as she walked past him, he yelled "hey" as loud as he could. It startled the girl and she turned around, embarrassed but flattered. He number closed.

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How to Hook a set:

1) Attention:
- You need to get their attention. Done by loud voice in loud clubs/bars ... not to loud in day game. Open in front of them not on the side. If they have their backs against you ... tap on their shoulders. If they are walking by ... tap on their arm. It is better to startle the girl than to get a look away ignore this weak boy look.
- You can use whatever opener you wish ... the difference is how you open. You can say, "Hi, my name is [insert name]" ... either by being loud and commanding or weak and begging ... which one do you think will work?
- Don't knock on the door ... break it the fuck down!
2) Interests:
- You need to make the girl interested or at least make it relevant for her.
- You can use cold reads or assumptions to get her interested.
- For example: "You look like you know how to party."
"You don't look like you are from here."
"You look like trouble."
"I'm assuming you are from Toronto."
- Cold reads/assumptions will get the girl interested and think to themselves, "Oh really? Why do you assume that about me?"

3) Decision: Get her to decide she likes you LOGICALLY ....
- You need to get the girl to decide to either "leave" or to accept the "man to woman" interaction.
- You can demonstrate man to woman verbally or physically or masculine eye contact or close range with each other.
- Verbally get her to make a decision that she likes by saying:
"So when did you started to like me?"
"You can go if you want. I know you are here with your friends."
"How much do you like me?"
- This will make her logically agree to like you.
- To demonstrate "man to woman" through physical or masculine eye contact or close range with each other.... is to be physical and have laser eye contact and be close with her where you come out as a sexual predator.
- REMEMBER if she is still has not left ... she is accept the "man to woman" interaction.
* If she refuses the decision to be "man to woman", but she didn't leave ... that means to go back to step 2) Interests ... and just vibe and then try step 3) Decision again.

4) Action: GETTING HER TO INVESTS IN YOU.
- Get her to comply/invest/qualify herself and chase you.
- Speak less, allow for awkward silence, speak slowly, and just maintain laser eye contact.
- You can ask qualifying/screening questions.

These 4 step can take minutes to hours ... or you can blast through it within 10 seconds O_o!

Sincerely,

Donston

donston has the steps down perfectly. i will add that the first advice "Hello, my name is..." is just direct opener. Yes it can work, but it will also lead to a numbers game as it will not always allow you to to capture interest long enough to develop attraction. Any opener is better than none, but it's good to be diverse and adaptable in your game. For that you need to learn to develop indirect openers as well. For example, "Hello my name is..." Won't get you as far in a busy night club with a set of 3 or more women (also could be men in the set). Although, it can work very well for a 1 set during the day at the grocery store. There is a section on this forum for just Openers. Start there.

nice advice. this will help others too.

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Best bet is to come up with a few, try them out, weed out ones that just don't work well for you, and continue the process. Constantly adding, subtracting, changing.

I think indirect and direct both have their strong points, and I also think that going out and trying them both in a wide variety of situations is the only way to figure out what works for you. I can honestly say that my success rates don't seem to differ between the two. So I go with what ever I feel more comfortable with at the moment. The real problem with either is if you can't get them out confidently. If you say an opinion opener as if your reading it off a cue card, it's not going to be effective. And if you come up direct to a girl but you aren't owning the conversation, giving great eye contact, speaking louder than her, then it's not going to be very effective either.

Yeah exactly. I think most guys have problem with what to say, what to talk about, etc., but mostly their(our) problem is that they overthink. They prepare for conversations by thinking of topics on which to talk with girls, but in all honesty it doesn't really matter what you talk about just as long as you keep it interesting:D