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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:16 am 
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Christ. You're fucking 35???! Listen dude the only way you will ever get close enough to talk to a girl for 2 mins or more is to find some friends and approach them in a group. Do not do one on one as you are fucking past it and it seems you are going for very young girls and all they will see is a creepy fucking uncle hitting on them you fucking jerk. The minute you walk over acting like a desperate loser looking for affection and trying to touch them is the minute they call security. What mirror are you looking in that makes you think you are still youthful? Dude get someone your own age and leave the young girls alone. There are young men all around them that they fancy. NOT YOU. They see you as a creepy, socially inept village idiot.


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Oh, so a neutral vibe is a high-energy, party vibe?
What I meant was a neutral, non-sexual vibe before you transition to an intensifying sexual vibe. Energy is good though as it simulates high testosterone rush. Women are naturally attracted to high testosterone men.
I've noticed, believe me; I used to be higher energy, and women responded, even though I wasn't trying to seduce anyone at that time.
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Also, I'm trying to tell when to approach, and when to back off. When's a good time to decide if a girl's not responding, and you need to eject, as opposed to chickening out when things are going well in set, or else sideways?
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When a girl does not give you any eye contact or stays away from your eyes looking sideways or over, you eject and sarge the next girl.

When a girl preens her hair, looks at her hand mirror to fix her make up, dusts off imaginary lints on her clothes, laughs and giggles at what you're saying even when those are not funny, keeps tapping your arm, pinches your belly, etc, you stay in set until you isolate her. When a girl pops a mint chewing gum in her mouth, go for the k-close.

Whenever you feel unsure of yourself, eject. Otherwise, you'll project a creepy vibe.
I see; I've been doing that a lot, ejecting because I've lost self-confidence, and have no confidence in continuing. Your advice is very practical.
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Whenever you see this nonverbal sign, change topic. Also keep your hands open, do not fold your arms or else she'll mirror your body language. What I usually do is place my two thumbs in my jean's pockets and point all eight fingers to my cock.

Girls can't help but look at your cock area repeatedly when you do this. When I catch girls stealing looks at my crotch, I make pumping motions like banging the air. If someone asks you what are you doing, just say, "I'm dancing. I'm happy. So what are you thinking about, hmm? Care to say what's on your mind?"
In other words, just as long as they keep eye contact, and you've got confidence, it, not a waste, and the balll is in your court.

Hm. Recently, I was talking to someone (not a girl) and he was giving me fine eye contact, but kept backing away. Ever had a girl do that? In that case, what to do? Change topics, there, too, or is it just a little different? I mean, there's engagement, but all the same, a mixed signal.
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Most of the time, girls will just blush instead of asking what you're doing. They're horny. Their pussies are getting wet. Touch their hair. Make masculine touches.
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Attract, qualify, comfort. I was in attract, couldn't kino yet, because it wouldn't be welcome, would it? Need to escalate to attract, though. How to do it? Well, I could've shown more energy, for one, and I could have dug deeper, and used what she said about Venezuela, going on about her heritage to qualify. Under such conditions, would getting her to qualify her work? WOuld sexualizing my gaze at this stage be useful?
Again, try to look for the nonverbal signs of submissiveness. She looks at you in the eye then she pulls down her gaze and then she pulls it up again. That's when you eye fuck aggressively.

A submissive girl who is ready to fuck is someone who keeps on looking down at the floor when you have already isolated her in your apartment. She's basically accepting your dominance. It's primal instinct.

You eye fuck girls at the open, attract, qualify, comfort, isolate and f-close stages as long as girls keep eye fucking you back.
Use my eyes at the beginning and throughout, declare interest at the earliest escalate via kino as we progress.

That it in a nutshell?
Jesus wept. You sound like a deranged fuckwit on heat. Why not drop your pants, bend over a sheep and give it what for as you sure as hell come cross as a disgusting perv desperately trying to work it with young girls and getting it badly wrong. All your eye fucking, wet pussy, eye fucking bullshit is fucking hilarious man. You are one fucking over imaginative cunt. Don't be surprised when security come over and give you a warning like the other jerk on here. You sound like a potential fucking rapist getting the signals all wrong and really believing that because you're some desperate fucking dog in heat that she must be too. Enjoy prison you deluded fuck.


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Okay, Notarist. This got me thinking.

You said you're 35 and you ride a bus to go to the local community college. When the school officials accosted you, they commented that you work on yourself first.

If you're not going to the college for some post graduate studies (masteral degree or higher), then by all means you're projecting an outsider vibe. The key is to dress almost exactly the same as your target demographic but slightly better. If the way you dress is waaay different from your girlie demographic, you'll get blown out of set most of the time.

Fix your grooming too. Get a nice haircut at a hair salon instead of a barbershop. Change your wardrobe and get a couple of pair of shoes that would complement your new look. Ask the sales ladies, lady sales clerks, or female fashion store crew what looks good on you but choose ones that are similar to your girlie demographics. Smell good too. Ask the lady sales crew which perfume or cologne you smell best with. If the female perfume store sales crew is of the same age range as your girlie demographics, it's good.

Since you said you used to get the attention of girls when you used to be high energy, it only means one thing: your testosterone level is on the wane. Work on spiraling your testosterone up through good diet, ample sleep, high intensity interval training (HIIT) on strength and competitive sports.

Ignore the lesbian troll.

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You said you're 35 and you ride a bus to go to the local community college.
Yeah, that looks very suspicious. What if you saw a 35 year old dude constantly approaching 18-20 year old girls in college? That's just creepy, man. I would be like, "WTF?"

Go to clubs that's aged 25+. You can approach the entire club without getting kick out.
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The key is to dress almost exactly the same as your target demographic but slightly better.
No, I think not. Especially in his situation where he sarges in community college. Can you imagine a 35 year old dressed like Justin Bieber? I think you should dress like George Clooney and have a classic hairstyle.


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The key is to dress almost exactly the same as your target demographic but slightly better.
No, I think not. Especially in his situation where he sarges in community college. Can you imagine a 35 year old dressed like Justin Bieber? I think you should dress like George Clooney and have a classic hairstyle.
I'm +40 and I dress like the lead guitar player from one of the younger boy bands around here. I get lots of compliments with my looks and style. Field tested.

I'm not balding though and I do a 30-minute HIIT at least once a week. I also make at least 1,000 roundhouse kicks a week in total to get my cardio fix.

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1) Mass approaching isn't for you. It's an old school PUA belief. Newer master PUAs don't advocate mass approaching. Just develop your game by other methods than mass trial and error.

2) If you do not go to that campus, stay away. It's probably not your crowd anyway. Master your own crowd first. (I feel funny giving this advice since i've done well on college campuses. however, those were more MY crowd than bars) It's just obvious from your statements that there are better suited environments for you. maybe a park, jogging trail, or cafe (starbucks) if you prefer to try day game. look for a day party even. OR try night game at clubs.

3) Get a wingman/wingwoman. Go to meetup.com or the PUA lairs section of this forum if you need to get started. Get a relative or friends together to go out. They can critique you alot better in field.

4) You are looking at it like there is a perfect thing to say or perfect one size fits all process. That's not true. Despite what the booksellers say, pickup varies from person to person and target to target. There are concepts to understand and techniques to improve on. But application and is up to the individual and reception in up to the target. What pickup mostly is about is creating and seizing opportunities. It's not really about magic one size fits all keys and techniques.


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I'd take a number, in any event.

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Christ. You're fucking 35???! Listen dude the only way you will ever get close enough to talk to a girl for 2 mins or more is to find some friends and approach them in a group. Do not do one on one as you are fucking past it and it seems you are going for very young girls and all they will see is a creepy fucking uncle hitting on them you fucking jerk. The minute you walk over acting like a desperate loser looking for affection and trying to touch them is the minute they call security. What mirror are you looking in that makes you think you are still youthful? Dude get someone your own age and leave the young girls alone. There are young men all around them that they fancy. NOT YOU. They see you as a creepy, socially inept village idiot.
Sorry, but I thought youth didn't matter in affairs of the heart. What was I supposed to do to learn, anywho? Here I am, trying to learn, risk arrest, and well, I'm trying to improve instead of do nothing till I die, even if I'm making errors.

Oh, and I have kept them talking for over ten, before.

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Okay, Notarist. This got me thinking.

You said you're 35 and you ride a bus to go to the local community college. When the school officials accosted you, they commented that you work on yourself first.

If you're not going to the college for some post graduate studies (masteral degree or higher), then by all means you're projecting an outsider vibe. The key is to dress almost exactly the same as your target demographic but slightly better. If the way you dress is waaay different from your girlie demographic, you'll get blown out of set most of the time.

Fix your grooming too. Get a nice haircut at a hair salon instead of a barbershop. Change your wardrobe and get a couple of pair of shoes that would complement your new look. Ask the sales ladies, lady sales clerks, or female fashion store crew what looks good on you but choose ones that are similar to your girlie demographics. Smell good too. Ask the lady sales crew which perfume or cologne you smell best with. If the female perfume store sales crew is of the same age range as your girlie demographics, it's good.

Since you said you used to get the attention of girls when you used to be high energy, it only means one thing: your testosterone level is on the wane. Work on spiraling your testosterone up through good diet, ample sleep, high intensity interval training (HIIT) on strength and competitive sports.

Ignore the lesbian troll.
Oh, I don't think my T-factor is really waning, just yet. I think it's just because my dopamine circuitry got repressed. Physically, I'm still rail-thin as ever.

I used to have severe anger issues, and that led to repression, which led to apathy, which is a mask for anger, they say. I've not got anxiety disorder any more, and while not high energy like when my mind went a mile a minute, I still have restless leg syndrome. I'm in excellent health, and if I'm like my father, won't start graying till into my forties.

In some ways, I was acting like a junkie, which I wasn't. I don't want to go back to such craziness, but I've lost that spring in my step, you know?

As to dress, In college (my target demographic), with my jeans, my green parka over my coat, and my beard and backpack, I fit in well, especially at The Evergreen State College (not the same one with the security incident).

As for shoes, I bought a new black pair at the start of last month, so I'd pointedly not look like a bum. I could get better shirts, though, and trimming my beard would be nice.

Some nice, red shirts would be in order, I think.

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1) Mass approaching isn't for you. It's an old school PUA belief. Newer master PUAs don't advocate mass approaching. Just develop your game by other methods than mass trial and error.

2) If you do not go to that campus, stay away. It's probably not your crowd anyway. Master your own crowd first. (I feel funny giving this advice since i've done well on college campuses. however, those were more MY crowd than bars) It's just obvious from your statements that there are better suited environments for you. maybe a park, jogging trail, or cafe (starbucks) if you prefer to try day game. look for a day party even. OR try night game at clubs.

3) Get a wingman/wingwoman. Go to meetup.com or the PUA lairs section of this forum if you need to get started. Get a relative or friends together to go out. They can critique you alot better in field.

4) You are looking at it like there is a perfect thing to say or perfect one size fits all process. That's not true. Despite what the booksellers say, pickup varies from person to person and target to target. There are concepts to understand and techniques to improve on. But application and is up to the individual and reception in up to the target. What pickup mostly is about is creating and seizing opportunities. It's not really about magic one size fits all keys and techniques.
Given I hangout at a college almost daily, I do think it appropriate I sarge there, if not specifically the one with the incident. I'm not a party animal, mind you, and it'll be even more foreign an experience then a college sarge.

As to finding a wingman, I've tried, though I can try again. Around Olympia, it seems to be slim pickings, and I can't afford an infield coach for now.

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Jesus wept. You sound like a deranged fuckwit on heat. Why not drop your pants, bend over a sheep and give it what for as you sure as hell come cross as a disgusting perv desperately trying to work it with young girls and getting it badly wrong. All your eye fucking, wet pussy, eye fucking bullshit is fucking hilarious man. You are one fucking over imaginative cunt. Don't be surprised when security come over and give you a warning like the other jerk on here. You sound like a potential fucking rapist getting the signals all wrong and really believing that because you're some desperate fucking dog in heat that she must be too. Enjoy prison you deluded fuck.
Well, I'm trying to calibrate, and I don't have any immediate role models to follow. I got up to 23 approaches before setting the goal of applying the 3-second rule for a full plus-hour of approaches from advice I got here, so it's not like I wasn'ty listening, but applying things to the best of my ability, limited or not.

Seems my distillation of advice weirded folks out, but that's why I played what I was hearing back.

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I'm trying to picture what I would have to say to a woman to actually get security go handcuff me and shit... It's not working, so that means you really creeped her out. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you, but if you used kino and she is calling security on you, you probably escalated to quickly. If the vibe is good you can try to get a bit physical, one step at a time. Hand, forearms, shoulder, upperback, middleback, you know the works.

Just try to keep the conversation going for starters, be easygoing. If she not interested, try again. Rejected again, find someone else, she's not into it. I like the statement don't put pussy on a pedestal, but don't disrespect a woman. I'm not saying that you did, but just take it easy and work on it a bit at a time.

I furthermore second the things Hellhound and Textytext said, that's some good shit!

Keep in mind, 3 second rule, approach, small compliment, conversation starter and listen. Most AFCs try to tell too much about themselves. Women will generally do the work for you. I talked with a woman for 2 hours straight the other night and most of my replies were "uh-hun" and "oh really?". Keep things short, witty and don't put too much pressure on it.


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As to dress, In college (my target demographic), with my jeans, my green parka over my coat, and my beard and backpack, I fit in well, especially at The Evergreen State College (not the same one with the security incident).

As for shoes, I bought a new black pair at the start of last month, so I'd pointedly not look like a bum. I could get better shirts, though, and trimming my beard would be nice.

Some nice, red shirts would be in order, I think.
Sounds good.

Backpacks seem to be standard fare in there: http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/media/p/1/005 ... cda94b.jpg

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I'm trying to picture what I would have to say to a woman to actually get security go handcuff me and shit... It's not working, so that means you really creeped her out. Honestly, I'm not trying to insult you, but if you used kino and she is calling security on you, you probably escalated to quickly. If the vibe is good you can try to get a bit physical, one step at a time. Hand, forearms, shoulder, upperback, middleback, you know the works.

Just try to keep the conversation going for starters, be easygoing. If she not interested, try again. Rejected again, find someone else, she's not into it. I like the statement don't put pussy on a pedestal, but don't disrespect a woman. I'm not saying that you did, but just take it easy and work on it a bit at a time.

I furthermore second the things Hellhound and Textytext said, that's some good shit!

Keep in mind, 3 second rule, approach, small compliment, conversation starter and listen. Most AFCs try to tell too much about themselves. Women will generally do the work for you. I talked with a woman for 2 hours straight the other night and most of my replies were "uh-hun" and "oh really?". Keep things short, witty and don't put too much pressure on it.
I think I can manage that, but that's pretty far into the comfort stage, isn't it? I've found it hard to create strong attraction, even when it appears off the bat, and then proceed to kill it, or else let it fade into a boring friendzone conversation. Kinoing to ramp up the tension, is what I've tried, ,but isn't qualification a form of escalation, in and of itself?

Come to think of it, what are some good ways to qualify hired guns? Joke lightly about their place of employment? Uniforms?

As I've said, I think I creeped the girl by leaving, coming back near her, having her watch as I approached another set, glance her way, see she was looking and leave again. I came across as creepy not as much for how I approached her, but my whole manner, and transparently predatory behavior.

It was just context thing, primarily, and I'm pretty sure I know what happeend seems what's happened to me is rare.

Keep in mind, I was focused on conquering approach anxiety and mastering the three-second rule; I was not trying to even focus much beyond that, and just before security came, I was actually feeling pretty self-satisfied for a sarge well-spent in the effort of self-mastery after having dithered around for over five years before actively practicing.

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As to dress, In college (my target demographic), with my jeans, my green parka over my coat, and my beard and backpack, I fit in well, especially at The Evergreen State College (not the same one with the security incident).

As for shoes, I bought a new black pair at the start of last month, so I'd pointedly not look like a bum. I could get better shirts, though, and trimming my beard would be nice.

Some nice, red shirts would be in order, I think.
Sounds good.

Backpacks seem to be standard fare in there: http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/media/p/1/005 ... cda94b.jpg
Well, actually, I haven't been wearing jeans, lately , as I've been wearing baggy jogging pullovers atop my gym pants. If I did wear just jeans, it would highlight my lean form quite well.

All things considered, I think I've gotten pretty decent results despite not dressing spectacular, and attribute my failure to a lack of skill. Several girls at that community college seemed to genuinely like me, and while I'm not going back soon, I don't consider sarging a failure. My confidence has grown, and if getting security called wasn't a test of my grown confidence, I don't know what is.

I'm sarging in a mall alone tomorrow, so you know. two, three hours of pavement-pounding, engaging hired guns, that sorta thing. Without the community college, it'll be harder to practice, but it'll be the first time I've sarged outside a college.

In some of the upscale stores, though, my attire really will be a problem, as opposed to in college.

I ain't stupid.

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Sounds good.

Backpacks seem to be standard fare in there: http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/media/p/1/005 ... cda94b.jpg
Well, actually, I haven't been wearing jeans, lately , as I've been wearing baggy jogging pullovers atop my gym pants. If I did wear just jeans, it would highlight my lean form quite well.

All things considered, I think I've gotten pretty decent results despite not dressing spectacular, and attribute my failure to a lack of skill. Several girls at that community college seemed to genuinely like me, and while I'm not going back soon, I don't consider sarging a failure. My confidence has grown, and if getting security called wasn't a test of my grown confidence, I don't know what is.

I'm sarging in a mall alone tomorrow, so you know. two, three hours of pavement-pounding, engaging hired guns, that sorta thing. Without the community college, it'll be harder to practice, but it'll be the first time I've sarged outside a college.

In some of the upscale stores, though, my attire really will be a problem, as opposed to in college.

I ain't stupid.
Go, go go, bro. Open minded guys tend to be the most intelligent guys I know.

I have a college buddy who was quite good looking but always got his heart broken. He's very open minded and intelligent too.

However, the way he dressed way back then sucked. When he fixed this one aspect, he's been banging girls left and right ever since.

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