Even a beginner can get laid or get a girl friend ... I don't understand why you associate the advice as a bad thing ...

8 years or not ... you could be learning bad habits for 8 years now. For example, you seem to be complain and make excuses to much. One of the foundations of pick up is to not allow any negative emotions enter your head. MEANING NO COMPLAINING OR MAKING EXCUSES! If you think about ... in life there is no point in making excuses or complaining. Learn and cultivate this consciousness of catching negative emotions entering your head. Notice that having these thoughts will just hinder you.

Example: Negative thought entering your head "My problem is that it is still true after 8+ years in pu(I am almost 32 years old)." .... notice this thought ... and cut it out! Train yourself noticing this were you become so good at it that you learn to cut that thought before you complete that sentence ...

For example: Negative thought entering your head "My problem is [cut thought] ...." Learn to cut that negative thoughts (excuses and complaints) before you even know what it is!

The next step is to positive reframe it to something beneficial ...

For example: "Shit, there is to many guys and not enough girls" ... positive reframe "Fuck no ... All I need is one girl!"

For example: "Shit ... I'm getting rejected from every set." ... positive reframe "Fuck no ... approach to get rejected then."

For example: "Fuck ... someone spilled their drink on me" ... positive reframe "fuck right ... that makes me more attainable."

For example: "Shit I am running out things to say ... I should leave on a good note" ... positive reframe ... "Fuck no ... don't leave ... it is time to lead. Lead her to the bar/introduce to friends ..."

Understand that negative emotions (complains and excuses) is a downward spiral and will cause negative emotions inside you which girls can smell. Negative emotions like outcome dependency and neediness and creepy vibes .... this is you shooting yourself in the foot .... No matter what age you are or what level you are in pick up ... you are not above the process!

If you already know this advice ... why are you still making excuses or complaining that hinders your performance?
- Cultivate this skill! Once you master this ... you will fucking fly high and actually enjoy pick up!

Summary:
1) No complaining or making excuses ... Don't acknowledge it ... don't say it ... don't think about it ... I've seen your posts many times on this forum ... all I see is excuses and complains ... every posts u make someone is warning others that you complain and make excuses ... stop it! Imagine how the girls feel when you bring the negative vibe into the interaction????? U don't need to say it ... don't acknowledge them! Saying your excuses will just hinder you and make you bitter! These excuses and complains will slow your reaction time and cause paralysis to do what is right.
- You see this every time with athletes ... people have high expectations for them to win ... this expectations puts pressure on the athlete ... causing them to choke when it is time to perform because of useless un necessary thoughts ... Yes, even professional athletes ... who has been training for years ... can get insecurities! Only the great ones are able to cut bull shit thoughts ... and focus on their process.
2) Positive reframe it to something that will help you or reframe it to "What is the right thing to do" ... then do it ...

Lastly, pua is a journey ... it is endless journey and you will always be learning ... forget about your pick up level ... for even guys who have master the skill ... they are still learning new things!

- I am fucking not lying ... it is not to late! U can master this and achieve your goals ... I've seen people far worst than you!

- Pick up is about self generating positive emotions ... you can tell how good a PUA is by how fun and happy he is having ...
- No one wants to be around someone who makes excuses and complains ...

Have fun! SERIOUSLY ... have fun ... tahahaha ^_^!

Donston

PS ... my uncle is 56 ... recently divorced ... He gamed with me and he pulled a girl last night ... if he can do it ... so can you ... tahahaha good luck mate!

Look, you've gotten tons of good advice, either follow it or don't. Fighting with us isn't going to help your game, nor is throwing a pity party. I'm sorry dude, but this post has been rolling for too long.

Try some of the stuff people have said. If it doesn't work, post a Sticking Point post and get some more advice.

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Not helpful.

This man speaks the word.

RE: escalating while walking: focus on eye attention, building comfort/attraction through innocuous touching, and just knowing how attractive you are and that you're creating the feeling inside her (just believe it). It really helps if you focus on making yourself attractive before going out as well.

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I think you're looking way too far into this.

You're on a date, she likes you, you like her, just kiss her. You don't need to have an excuse or reason. The reason is you like her and you want to kiss her.

She'll probably think you're much more of a man if you just kiss her mid date anyway. For some reason most guys seem to think the only appropriate time to kiss a girl is at the end of the date on her porch.

Kiss her, she'll like it. She wants it.

You are right. I need training wheels for that, though. So what you say seems like a simple step but for me it's huge. Which training wheels do you recommend?

I saw this, thought it was just some model and he wrote Girls like that rejected me every single time just to be together with that other man, who is not better than me.

How do you reframe that?

Hahaha I can sense doubt when you ask me that question :p ... but ...

1) First step is to cut that thinking out ... don't acknowledge it.
2) Second step ... to positive reframe that for when a girl does say she has a bf and so you don't flinch ...
- Say to your self, "Oh you have a boy friend? Wait till you see what I can do."
3) Third step run game for rationalizing for her why it's ok to interact with you.
4) Fourth step ... insert dick in her ... :p JK ... needs more step till you can do this ...

:p,

Donston

What can I do better than him? He has a penis I have a penis. No girl told me why she preferred another guy over me.

So how would that make me believe that all of a sudden I, having little sexual experience should be able to pleasure her better than him, who is having sex with her all the time, and she trusts him enough that she's comfortable to be nude around him in the desert.

All I see is when I walk up to her and talk to her, she'd say "I have a boyfriend" he'd turn up, put his arm around her and ask her "let's go?", she'd say "well was nice talking to you" as it always goes and he knows "yet another men who is inferior to me" and she knows "I made the right decision with this man" and another 5 years go by when they fuck each other's brains out while I get rejection after rejection without any useful feedback of any woman.

And you seriously think I could without any resistance from my mind adopt the mindset that I could please that women more than this man?

A PUG once said that other men are not superior to you. They are not? Then make my feeling of inferiority go away.

Today I saw a lot of couples. Then I approached two women, about 24 yo each and told them: "I just saw this couple and I like the woman that's in it. How should I approach her?" The woman said: "In no way would I help you accomplish that."

I only said my positive reframe because you said "who is not better than me" .... I thought you believed that you were better than that guy ... If you don't believe that you are good enough for her, that you are not better than her boy friend ... why did you say the above? Than you gave a whole slew of negative excuses/ASSUMPTIONS that contradicts your first excuse ... It seems like you have tons of insecurities to work on! But, I can give you positive reframes for them :p ... tahahahha because I'm awesome like that ... I may also add ... you are totally straying away from your original topic O_O? I think you are just trying to find more excuses again ...tahahaha ... but, let me elaborate.

Second, I don’t see you showing any appreciation to the people that is trying to help you on this forum. Even though they are going out of their way to spend their time to help you … When they give you advice you change the topic to another excuses that requires a different solution Please at least show some appreciation to people trying to help you and stay on the topic. May I add they are not getting anything back for helping u … but, are genuine to helping you. This is the definition of sincere ... which will help you understand how you should approach girls ... to offer value and not have an agenda.

Third, you are making ASSUMPTIONS … there is no hard FACTS that the dude is making that girl happy. THERE IS NO HARD FACTS THAT THE GUY IS ACTUALLY THE BOY FRIEND. There are so many awesome/nice/respectful/well off men out there with out the right girl … that’s because they have so many insecurities and they themselves don’t believe that they deserve the girl … so they don’t take action. When they do take action they come out as needy and creepy because they want IOIs to show that they deserve the girl. They are sucking value off them like a homeless person. While the opposite, someone who has abundance, already believes that he is awesome … by believing you are awesome before you approach anyone … you are coming in with value. This is what sincerity is … offering value and not asking for anything back. You come out as creepy and needy because all you do is take. But, that is another topic :p … let’s work with the basics first.

So the basic mind set of a sex worthy male is “I am awesome”. You must FIRST believe this before the girl can. This is what people are trying to tell you in previous posts. But, right now the way you are thinking is … “I need the girl (people in general) to say I am awesome before I believe I am awesome”.
But, luckily you have me to tell you a full proof way to believe that you are awesome … I self proclaim this the solution to achieving eternal happiness ^_^ … man I am so nice.

- So however you perceive a scenario will dictate your thoughts, words, and action in dealing with that scenario.
for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so …” – Shakespeare
- For example, you approaching a girl with her boy friend there can be perceived either positively improve your happiness/awesomeness or viewed negatively and disempowering.
- Yes, you not getting the girl, with a boy friend, can be viewed as negative … but, that is due to your improper game :p. I will give you instructions on how to properly game girls with boy friend right there beside them at the end. But, first you need to develop the mindset of “I am awesome” or “There is no reason why I am not enough” … for any girls to give you a chance. May I comment that this is heavily frown upon to game a girl with a boy friend … I don’t understand why you are trying to attempt this -_- … I think you are just saying this to try to make more excuses :p …. I am not saying that this is a good thing …but, I can still show you how to do it …. at the end.
- To positively view you approaching a girl with her boy friend right there is done by realizing that you fucking took the courage to actually approach a girl with her boy friend there! Not a lot of people can do that … you know this right? This perception is what makes you feel awesome … let me elaborate more.

- Ex: Let say you are unemployed, “Oh I am unemployed I don’t have the values to offer her.”
- Of course, if you identify with mainstream media values, that is correct.
- For me I do not want to live by those values.
- Let’s go deeper in our inner game, and this is where you ask, “What do I actually want in life?”
• “What do I actually want in life?” Once you have developed concrete standards or concrete goals of what you want in life, then you can filter you perspective of certain scenarios through your goals and positively reframe your perspective of how you are moving towards your goals.
- Examples of my goals:
1. Abundance of women.
2. Living healthy.
3. Financial freedom.
• As long you have your values, you filter your actions through those values. Now you are moving towards them and you will feel good.
• Example of how to use this mindset
- You approach a girl and you ignore her reaction because you can either learn from it or it goes well and you get a positive reference experience. Now you are moving towards your goal of having more women in your life.
- Let say you go to the fridge to grab a bite and you see a pizza slice, left over Chinese, and a salad. You chose the salad. As you reach for the salad you think to yourself, “Fuck right I’m eating a salad. Health! Health! Six pack.”
- Let say someone spills a drink on you. “Fuck right my shirt got a stain. I’ma fucking rock this stain on my shirt and be fucking awesome. Fuck right I am awesome.”
• Lower your criteria for what pumps you up. Most people dwell on the things they don’t have. When they have the negative thought and they try to interact with others, the interaction turns to go bad. Others will sense your stress and people do not want to associate with you.
- This will also hold you back from thinking clearly to moving forward to your life goals.
• What to do after reading this article:

- So pick 3 to 5 goals and start to thinking about them all the time.
- Think about them at the beginning and at the end of your day
- Start viewing your actions if it is moving forward or away from your goals.
3. Start viewing everything you do through out your day as something to pump your state up.
- Remember to lower your criteria of what is awesome to you.

The purpose of having the “I am awesome” mind set … is what will make your pick tactics/behaviour/advices people offer you work with the girls. You must believe in yourself first before people can believe you. Do you think that people enjoy that negative vibe of you feeling unworthy? I can already see on this forum that people are getting pissed at your vibe ... :p ... how do you think girls ... specially girls with boy friends ... feel?
Lastly, ask your self … does complaining n’ making excuses bring you closer to my goals? The "I am awesome" mindset is the basics of Pick up and it must be properly cultivated!

“So to properly steal a girl, with her boy friend there, tactic” … Again … I don’t know why you are trying to achieve this …. But, this works perfectly in opening mix sets as well ... so there is a reason to learn this!
1) You must open the girl in a way that appears like she knows you.
- This is done by offering her the “hand of god”. The hand of god is executed by being in front of her, shoulders squared up, as you make eye contact with her … extend your hand for a hand shake. This is called the hand of “god” … meaning you must open with absolute belief that you are providing value and being sincere (aka: you have no agenda and is offering positive emotions). That you believe that you are awesome, that a genuine smirk is on your face and have un wavering eye contact. Here is an example of the hand of god … starting at 11:20 …
Tyler Durden Infield Compilation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFTR9jNkeCg

2) When the girl grabs your hand for the hand shake … pull her close to you like the video above.
- Girl will grab you hand because she sense that you are offering value and not taking any. You are sincere.
- The boy friend will not cock block you because she complied by grabbing your hand and he would be going against her if he did.
3) Ask the logistical question … “Who are you here with and how do you know them?” … if it is the boy friend … tell her to introduce you to him as her gay friend.
- To know what tactics you have to run by determining whether if she is with a friend, boy friend, brother, gay friend ….. etc etc etc.
- If she is with a guy friend … this will prevent the guy from lying that they are boy friend and girl friend.
4) Tell the boy friend that you want to borrow her for 2 seconds to catch up.
- Boy friend will have to comply.
- This what we call a false times constraint. Humans generally say the last thing you tell them … if you tell them “2 seconds 2 seconds … I want to catch up with her” … They will repeat in their head “Oh it’s only 2 seconds …”

5) Isolate the girl …

6) Run game …

- Of course this is very broad instruction. For there are multiple scenarios and directions you can take. But, this is the general skeleton to get an opportunity to run your game. Again this is slightly advance topic … but, it is proper game when dealing with mix sets. Not only you need the mindset of “I am awesome” you will also need the mind set of “I am having fun” and “all girls are nymph maniacs” …. But, if you strive to steal girls with boy friends … you’ll need to cultivate this mind set.

So first … develop the mind set of “I am awesome” … then slowly chip away on the other skills.

Good luck stealing girls with boy friends! You have to be strategic with that kind of interactions … but it is possible!

Have fun,

Donston!

Hi Straightforward,

It's almost impossible to escalate into kissing her or touching her properly while you two are walking together. Even if you two are already in a long term relationship, you'll still have to stop her in her tracks.

I won't go into much details here on how to approach and stop a girl walking toward you on the street because I've created an article about how to approach a girl on my blog at: http://www.pickupflow.com/how-to-approach-a-girl.html Just watch out for the chapter where I'm giving you the step-by-step instructions on how to stop a girl walking at you down the street.

Hope this helps you.

Bruno

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Donston, you really give good advice in most cases and I appreciate that. On the other hand, you are easily offended if my replies are not the way they have to be in your mind. If you don't feel appreciated how would a reply look like that'd make you feel validated?

What you don't seem to get over the internet is that I've been trying to implement what pickup offered me in the past years against my social conditioning and my social conditioning is so strong that the only thing I managed to accomplish on a constant basis is opening.

Calling me a crybaby and resisting help is stupid and you know it. Also you assume the worst. Back in the day I met a therapist each week and I told him about my first relationship and that I also had sex with that woman. But till the end of therapy he still believed I had never had sex. So even though I had sex and I told him he didn't believe me.

And you remind me of him. I tell you what I observe and you call me crybaby.

For the future just assume the best unless I prove you wrong by writing it. Thanks. I will deal with the rest of what you wrote later.
He is neither better nor worse than me. We are both men.

Listen, I'am not trying to embarrass you or trying to get validation from you ... I am trying to show you why having insecurities will mess up your game, and trying to show you the benefits of getting rid of them first. You are complaining and making excuses way to much ... I am trying to show you that there is noo reason to make excuses and complain ... ever! When you make excuses and complain ... you are pointing the finger on others when the problem is with in you! But, I am sorry for calling you a cry baby [even though I didn't call you that :p] ... I am sorry for being offended [I need to put more emoticons to show that I am being sarcastic :p] ... You are right it is MY fault for not showing you that I am being sarcastic more when giving people advice. I will work on my posts to show this so others will not mis interpret it as validation seeking or being offended. Thank you for showing me that ... I will definitely work on that more on considering others more! I AM SERIOUSLY SORRY ^_^!

But, since we got that out of the way ... I still want an answer on why you said this:

"Girls like that rejected me every single time just to be together with that other man, who is not better than me."

But, then you said:

"He is neither better nor worse than me. We are both men."

Both, contradicting phrases ... ^_^.

But, may I say something (I'ma say it anyways with out permission)... this is how to do it! You just positive reframed an excuse/complain! Good job!!!

Lastly, only you can fix your insecurities! But, first you must be CONSCIOUS and AWARE of them! This will be difficult because it is like pointing the blame on to your self and you'll be taking responsibility for your own mistakes rather than blaming others. You said you've tried all the advices that people has given you ... but, they didn't work. You see, any technique you try will not work if you have so many insecurities in your head. These insecurities will make that technique fake and the girl/people will smell this and feel awkward. You probably feel it as well ... how it feels awkward preforming these techniques. This is what we call incongruence. Being incongruence is 99% of the reason why the technique is not working and the reason why girls get creepied out. That's why any technique you try doesn't work. So what I am emphasizing is to fix these insecurities. But, first you must be AWARE and CONSCIOUS of them and take responsibility for them! NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO ... YOU WILL NOT FIX THIS BY OUTER GAME (techniques) .... FIX THIS BY:
1) KNOWING YOUR INSECURITIES (don't skip this step)
2) FIX IT BY CUTTING THEM OUT OF YOUR MIND (don't skip this step)
- Catch your self making excuses and complaining ... there is NEVER a reason to complain or make excuses. All they do is hold you back ... no benefits to them!
3) THEN POSITIVE REFRAME TO "WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO" ...
- that right thing to do are the techniques peeps offer you to try.

This trait will make you grow super fasts! It will make you grow in game ... and in life in general! Once you master this ... then any advice peeps give you will work when you execute them! Plus you won't have to seek counselling from a therapist and you will save money ^_^!

- To assume all responsibilities is a trait of a superior man!
"Even though someone shoots you with a gun. It is your fault for not being skillful enough to dodge the bullet" ... I know this is over exaggerating it ...

I'm sorry for offending you with my posts! I promise you they are all being sarcastic and cocky remarks ... I do it because I find it entertaining for my self ^_^ ... it's boring to write these posts sometimes so I make it more fun, for my self, by replying the way I do. Tahahhahahahahaha ^_^! But, I also said to "show appreciation for others when they are trying to help you" because that is the right thing to do when people go out of their way to help someone when they get nothing back from it ... Justice must be served when someone is in the wrong :p ... I will not apologize for this :p ...

Seriously, I don't mean to offend you ^_^ though!

Sincerely,

Donston :p