When you are walking with a girl as an instant date in daygame, how do you escalate kino? To me, she seems never ready to be kissed. I am negging her, she smiles and again emptyness. Also, if you are walking you do rarely look into each other's eyes.

In short, how to escalate while walking till kissing?

You stop walking.

Sit down on a park bench, grab a refresher somewhere and talk...whatever.

Walking isn't the best position to move in from.

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Okay. The problem persists though. How to escalate while sitting next to each other?(PS: currently, it's about 10°C(that's 50°F) here, so sitting on a bench is not an option, let's assume we are in a starbucks).

During a daytime date, going in for the kiss should be left to when you have time to get in close and be private. As public as a park bench is, it's often more private than the middle of a coffee shop.

People associate different areas and situations with different things. Can you kiss on a coffee date? Sure. Most people view this as a "safe date" though, so they are less inclined to feel sexual.

If you can get a spot on the couch, you may be able to get in closer, put your hand on her leg, lean in and whisper and get in close. That's probably your best bet.

Use the couch and whispering as an excuse to people watch. Make some light-hearted jokes about people back and forth in a low tone and snicker together.

Say something in comparison to her and take her hand.

It's all about finding the right place and the right time. Daytime dates are REALLY hard for that, but it's possible.

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Okay.

Other ideas from other people?

It all comes down to how bad you want it.

If a kiss from a beautiful woman was the only thing that could save your dieng grand mother, how far would you go to steal that kiss?

At what lengths does the fat kid go to get the last pastry in the box.
(that he loves sooooo much)

The most important element to pick up is desire, when someone wants something(< not to be confused with "someone")bad enough they will go through great lengths to get it and are always trying for it.

That is what should be first and foremost in your thoughts. Once you can focus solely on your own desires, getting the kiss becomes a lot easier as you are no longer clouded with thoughts, fears and what-if's.

You'll either get the kiss or you won't, trust your instincts and when or if you are completely uncertain but want it bad anyways....Don't be afraid to ask for it.

Its not hard to get an answer either way.

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Do you literally mean ask for the kiss?

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In all cases her body said yes and she said no. And I even consulted a lawyer for that once. If she SAYS no, but her body says yes, it's still illegal - sex aswell as kissing.

So asking her backfired.

I don't have a strong desire for women, because their sexless behaviour and talk turns me off effectively.

If a girl is bored, sexless, shy, introvert etc etc etc ... it is the man's fault. It is up to the man to guide the girl to excitement, adventure, sexiness, confidence, openness ... etc etc ... It is up to the man to lead by example.

The law of state transference is when the girl mirrors your emotions. If the girl is bored it is because you are bored, if the girl is excited it is because you are excited, if the girl is horny it is because you are horny.

- If you want to encourage sexual vibe ... slow down, chill out, allow for pauses, and focus on maintaining eye contact. Chill out and relax and allow your self to be aroused by the girl as you maintain eye contact.

To learn when and how to kiss or to lead for a chance for a kiss ... your mantra is, "Learn to apologize ... not to ask for permission."

- Just go for the kiss ... even though if it is not there. If she isn't ready for a kiss ... just back off ... and say "Opps, I thought you wanted me to kiss you." ... Then just continue like it isn't a big deal. I use this for jokes sometimes ... I would reach over and grab her side boob ... and say, "Opps I thought you wanted me to grab your side boob ..."

- Going for the kiss [without asking for permission] will help you experience and learn the windows of opportunity for when to kiss. Even though she is not in the mood ... you expressing that you want to kiss will be planted in her mind ... getting her more turned on to kiss.

- I remember I tried going for the kiss with one girl 4 times till she couldn't handle the tension and she exploded on making out with me in the end. During pillow talk ... she said, "You know what I like about you? You are not such a cry baby like other guys. Most guys would whine and bitch when I deny them a kiss on the first try."

- Summary ... when it comes to leading, like leading her to sit down or get closer to you ... don't ask for permission ... just do it! If she resists ... immediately step back, say Opps ... and carry on like it isn't a big deal.
Lastly, whatever emotions you want her to feel is guided by you first experiencing those emotions ....

If you want some training wheels for going for the kiss ...
1) Close eyes Kiss close ...
- Tell her to close her eyes for a bit ... go for the kiss.
2) Tell her that, "I know we are not ready for the kiss yet. So we are going to do the almost kiss. We are going to get as close to each other ... but we must not kiss. Pinky swear to me that we will not kiss." ... Do it ... if it fails try again in 5 minutes.
3) Future seeding the kiss after qualifying her:
"You are super adventures. I like that about you and I mean that even thought I am going to TRY to kiss you later."
- The idea is that she cannot reject you at the moment because you are phrasing the words in the FUTURE by saying TRY. The purpose is to seed the kiss and get her thinking about it.

Just do these routines with out asking for permission ... just do it out of no where. Practices this until you get good at not asking for permission and you level up to just going for the kiss in a confident matter. The next level is to go for the kiss, if she resists learn how to rationalize for her that it is ok to kiss. But, that is after you remove your training wheels :p/ find your balls ^_^.

Have fun!

Donston

PS: To be a man is to ASSUME ALL RESPONSIBILITIES!

WTF??? What country do you live in?

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Lol ... don't instigate him ... he will just continue to support this belief by arguing with you! This dude has lots of insecurities that he will conquer in the future ... and this is one of them ^_^.

Seriously ... his been asking questions on this forum for a while now ... peeps has tried answering his questions and he'd always find crazy excuses to resists peoples advices. But, he does it to support his insecurities .... so don't argue with him and just nod your head in silence ....

tahahhaha ... I know he is a hard case ^_^! But, we are here to help not put down! tahahhaa

I kind of think that he is doing this for fun to fuck with us :p ....

Why can't I just turn into a masculine man given the huge amount of approaches I do? I know that what you described attracts women, I see that other men who embody this behaviour attract women, I don't see any drawbacks for them doing it but still something in my body does not let me become it.

I see this guy showing it and he is living the dream. I know that you are right and I sense that it's what I should do. But the will is lacking, the desire is lacking.

When I was walking next to that girl yesterday that this post is about I felt totally emasculated even though I negged her and touched her.

What I know though is that - no matter how good the advice is - I don't become the person who uses it.

I need to know why it is this way.

One thing is wrong, though: To be a man is to have XY-chromosomes. It is not and it will never be bound to behaviour.

I know why ^_^ ... everyone goes through this ... except for the people who have good upbringing! You've been program to have all those insecurities when you were growing up. Let me explain.

The idea is to have your words, thoughts, and action aligned. This is what to be congruent. 90% of the time girls will reject you for being incongruent. So what causes you to be incongruent? Is to have the thoughts of what to do (advice you go from this forum) + other unnecessary thoughts that causes paralysis or hesitation to do the right thing.

For example, if I asked you, "Do you want to have sex with Megan Fox [or a celebrity you want to lay the smack down to]?" Most guys will say "Yes, I would like to bang Megan Fox." But if Megan Fox did come, you wouldn't immediately have a boner. The reason why you wouldn't have a boner even though you said you would like to have sex with her is because .... not only do you have the thought "I want to have sex with her" ... you also have the thoughts like "I hope I don't embarrass my self", "I hope she doesn't reject me", "what should I say to her to make her laugh?", "What if my penis size is not adequate enough for her" ... Plus other thoughts/insecurities you have that overwhelms that one thought of "I want to have sex with Megan Fox" .... Therefore you become incongruent which makes you hesitate, fake, a liar, or even cause paralysis/impudence. Megan Fox can sense that you have an agenda ... that you want something out of her.

The opposite is to train your self to having one thought or 30% logic and 70% instinct ... this is what we call getting into flow, state, god mode ... where you have one thought only that guides your instinct. This is what we call having "Entitlement". Entitlement is defined as how comfortable you are around a hot girl you can behave. This is achieved by having no out come dependency ... meaning you don't care if she has sex with you or you have no agenda ... this is the head space of someone who has abudnace. They have so many girls waiting for them to fuck or they have high confidence in their pick up skills that they don't care for a result. It's like you can act comfortable with a fat ugly girl ... or your friends ... but you change your behaviour when speaking to a smoking hotty.

The method to get into high entitlement is to build momentum by just focusing and maintaing eye contact with the girl. Don't convey value ... don't even think ... don't even try to try to convey value. Just focus on maintaining eye contact with the girl .... speak slowly and allow for awkward pauses ... just focus on her eyes. The girl will stare into your eyes and she will ask "Is this guy going into his head?" ... Do interview questions if you want ... but just focus on her eyes ... allow for pauses ... speak slowly ...
- You are going to find your self wanting to say something to impress her or to convey value ... but don't ... just focus on her eyes.
- The results are crazy awesome ... hot girls will start to say "You are handsome" ... "You are incredible"
... "out of all the guys I've been with ... you are the best one." 70% of the interaction is the girl complimenting you or qualifying her self to you.
- The reason why this works is because you have a blank mind ... you are probably the first guy to NOT convey value to her ....
- This is how to be natural!
- You will have problems sleeping because you just proved your brain that you do not have to show value to get girls ... even though you've been trained all your life to show value.
- It's really fucked up!
- Once you get 30% logic and 70% instinct ... out come dependency will close and the vortex of showing your intent will open. This is because you don't have all of those unnecessary thoughts to hinder your intentions ... you will be doing proper PUA actions and behaviour without hesitation!

It will take a while to do this ... you can accelerate and train your brain more if you do meditation. Meditation helps exercise the muscle that does this .... the part of your brain that helps you stay in the moment, being process oriented, and the part of your bring the helps you be conscious of those unnecessary thoughts to stop them from hindering your behaviour.

Final instruction: Learn to be conscious of your insecurities ... try to know all of them ... and don't run away from them. Once you've find them out ... don't acknowledge them. Once you feel like you are thinking of your insecurities ... stop thinking about it and reframe it to something positive. These insecurities are what causes you to hesitate on doing the right thing O_O. These insecurities are the unnecessary thoughts that overwhelms that one thought of what is the right thing to do.

I hope you understand what I'm preaching ^_^,

Have fun!

Donston

My problem is that it is still true after 8+ years in pu(I am almost 32 years old). Either pickup is REALLY hard or something the pug don't address is holding me back effectively.

I got this information that you wrote which I quoted when starting out and it seems that not much has changed.

So this seems like beginner's advice.

Think about getting a good dating coach. Books are good for learning the information, but they obviously can't watch your technique and correct it. A coach will help you figure out what you're doing wrong and make corrections, whether it be attitude or technique.

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