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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:43 pm 
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For awhile, I was frustrated with online dating apps like OKCupid and the newer, more ephemeral Tinder. Why wasn't I getting matches? Why weren't women messaging me back?

I've been researching and experimenting with "online game" since I discovered the pickup community several months ago, and I've come to a few conclusions:

1) Success with online dating is largely based on your physical appearance as presented in your photographs. By this I mean to say that it is not only a matter of how good-looking you are, but also the quality of the pictures you are using. It's not about 'being hot,' but more about looking hot. (Women have obviously figured this out too, so be careful out there guys -- it's easy to wind up getting 'catfished.' If she's got the angles, if it's hard to find a clear shot of her face and/or full body, she's probably hiding something.)

2) It's incredibly difficult to present yourself as genuinely alpha in an online dating app. This is because, first off, the odds are already stacked against you; if you're legitimately alpha, why are you online trying to get laid in the first place? I think a lot of guys are overlooking this, and inadvertently demonstrating incongruence as a result.

3) Online dating destroys the very essence of the game, because (a) there is no opportunity to use non-verbal communications to establish value, (b) there is no sense of serendipity (a key component of seduction) felt by the woman, and (c) there is little/no potential for generating chemistry. (I'm sure there are a bunch of other aspects of a successful pickup that are also absent from the digital interface, but I'm not going to sit here and think of every single one -- you get the point.)

Most of what we do as seducers has to be done face to face. Online dating is not seductive -- it's practical, efficient, and utilitarian by its very nature.

When you strip away all aspects of nonverbal communication, there isn't much left to bait an attractive woman. When she's swiping through pictures on Tinder, she isn't going to choose you unless she thinks you look cute.

Most of the tactics I have tried to use to generate interest haven't worked, and my best theory is that they generally come off as manipulative and disingenuous due to the perceived incongruence that more or less comes with the territory of online dating.

I'm interested to hear some of your thoughts on this, and any tips, tactics, or strategies you guys have found for apps like Tinder that have actually worked. I know some of you are having success with this stuff, but keep in mind that you might just be better looking than most of us. Please comment if you have anything to add to, or dispute about, my analysis here.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:56 pm 
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Non verbal still holds merit regarding online dating.

A pic an average looking dude riding a camel on the pyramids can generate interest as much as a good looking hunk doing a mirror selfie.

Ideally, be the hunk riding the camel= win/win

It's amazing the difference a profile can make, I used to use an asshole profile , and experimenting with ones that allow the girl to connect a bit. The results are night and day without even changing the pictures. So there is a bit more to it than pics.

Not saying physical appearance isn't neccessary when it comes to online dating. But optimise everything you can in your favor.

Have bad ass pics

Have a bad ass profile

Have bad ass messages

= you will have decent success.

Don't use online as a crutch though. The smoking hot girls don't tend to reply ha. Leave that to the field where you CAN use everything to your advantage including escalation.

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@Mr J- I agree with 95% of what you wrote.

It's for these reasons I advocate not using online dating nor text game and other such things unless for practice sake.

I preach that looks don't matter. But the only non truth to this is that when online, looks do matter. And that's what guys need to understand. You cannot communicate vibe, personality and other such factors through text. So looks are your biggest card to play online.
My advice to ugly men (I myself may be ugly) is to get off the computer and hit the fucking streets like real men. That's advice for all men.
My success rate on POF years ago had been stunning. I laid lots of HB's on there but the rate of flakes and head games come with the territory and you can't avoid that unless you seduce women in person.

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