Hey guys,

I could need some advice from you about some girl I am currently dating and which leaves me in a somewhat confused situation. First I would like to tell you a bit about the previous history and how we met.

On some party in the middle of January I approached her and we chatted a bit, bla blubb. We had a picture that day which is on the club’s homepage, however nothing more. Afterwards I thought maybe I should have asked her out dancing. However we didn’t do anything so I didn’t paid much mind to her and forgot her.
Round a week later I am at the same venue and she’s there too. Opened her bla blubb, how she is and asked her out on the dancefloor. We rocked that night hard on the dancefloor for 2 hours and I made her the Dancing Queen so KC and makeout came naturaly. We exchanged some way to stay in touch and some obstacle friend dragged her home. However since I also included the obstacle in my game, she just blocked the escalation but only for a few minutes.

Last Saturday I arranged the first date in a cocktail bar where we had some chatting and some light Kino going on. Not too much but subtlety noticeable. Afterwards we strolled a bit through the city and some KC in front of some old building. Walked a bit around and then I extract her to my apartment for some tea. This one we have and I put on some nice music and I escalate further, very slowly but steady. We land on the bed and after a lot of cuddling we start slowly to undress each other. All going somewhat well, however she blocks the fucking. Fingering ok and touching all of her body is ok but she blocks sex and oral game from my side. Not that she wasn’t turned on but somehow it was a bit weird. No sex tonight and so on. Since I don’t want to look needy I also play some cocky and funny but don’t push her too much. So we cuddle together touching, fingering and fell asleep. Sunday the next morning we make some breakfast together and chill a bit. We have a walk together in some park nearby where she lives so I accompany her and build some rapport and comfort. She laughed all the time and the overall vibe was all good.

Tuesday the second date. We went shopping for some food and afterwards we cooked something together. We laughed, kissed and I escalated again. Since she likes fingering I give my best again and make her realy wet/horny and so on. Either she was a very good actor, which I doubt, so I assume she had an amazing time... However she blocks again when it comes to sex. Since I don’t want to be pushy I turn the game, play now hard to get and tease her how she would love to have my dick inside her, however that I don't want it to. Shes a bit confused and I make her hornier. When she’s on the high I reach for some condom and again that now not so strong but persistant nonono . . .
This situation happened to me first time. I mean she was realy horny and wet so the attraction/errection was definitely there. Normal procedure: condom on and have fun.

Now that I’m reflecting the situation I would ask about some stuff we were saying during the intercourse, while she was realy horny.
HB.: “Do you think I am a slut?”
Hejsan: ”For tonight your my little bitch” with a more dominant tone, and not focusing much on that topic. Changind the subject. Would be “You’re a cool adventurous girl that likes to have fun” a better calibration?

So I kept going for a few mins. Afterwards somehow she kinda blocks also the fingering. However Blowjob is all ok. Afterwards we cuddled a bit and I showed some music video to her. She liked it and was literarily glued to me. We cleaned my place a bit up and I escorted her to the tram stop while still kissing and all that stuff. Afterwards she told me that she loved the dinner but the second part was kinda . . . she didn't know what to say. She liked it and if she wouldn't have class tomorrow I am sure she would stay for the night. She is just 19, me 26 so should I pay much attention to this? Generaly shes kinda insecure so I have to say to her what to do and take the lead. We got a good vibe going on and she asked what I would be doing tomorrow cuz she wants to party and go on a cool hiking tour on the weekend. Something I suggested before. Third day shoudn’t be a big issue but I was wondering what to do against that blocking in the bed. 2 Dates ain’t much but I experienced it also sometimes when a girl feels somewhat bad if she sleeps to fast with a guy. At least that’s what the rational mind is thinking.

Any suggestion for the further procedure or just keep on dating, having fun, escalating and trying again?

Thanks for the neutral feedback and advices,
Hejsan

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In my opinion it's just the age.

At 19 they don't know themselves or their bodies and still sometimes feel guilty about having sex.

I'm 35, primarily date women in between 28-35 and when they come over to my place they are getting fucked no questions about it. I also make it perfectly clear thats what is going to happen. Which is why I don't have that problem of chicks coming over to cuddle with me and give me blew balls. These women like sex as much as do and are not afraid to admit it.

I'd hang in their. Date other girls and keep this one on rotation. You've only hung out a few times. Perhaps the next time you see her don't try to get her back to your place. Keep it casual and make her wonder if you are putting her in the friendzone.

If she gives you an indicator that she wants to come back to your place, take it and run with it.

So make some anti bitch speak sometime during the conversation that its ok to say yes to sex and its ok to have it and its ok to enjoy it. Like its a real spiritual gift?
How do you subcommunicat it? Normaly I don't do too much verbal stuff cuz I just assume whe will be ready to have sex when shes naked and turned on.
So no KC and stuff like that? She engages that also now by herself? Since we dont have a common social circle we won't see each other at all by chance.

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It's so not the age, tbh, the vibe wasn't good enough. The fact that she asked : Am I a slut? said enough.
She was still thinking with her head, instead of her emotions. Believe me, 19 or 65. Once you make a girl horny enough for her to forget her brains. You can fuck her. Try to bring the vibe to a more sexual flirty one. Not when you're in bed, but make her want to fuck your brains out when you're in a public place or whatever. Then come at me again with the age stuff. Age is just a number. A female is just another word for feelings. It's all about how she feels about you and herself.

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Bull shit.

19 year old chicks are a whole other ball game then dating a girl whos 29 or even 39.

The root is that they still care what other people think. The older ones not so much so because they are secure in who they are and tend to know what they want.

I find with the older ones its less about what you say and what you text and more about your body language, eye contact, kino etc....

Don't start anything. If she initiates it though then close and close hard.

How do you subcommunicat it? Normaly I don't do too much verbal stuff cuz I just assume whe will be ready to have sex when shes naked and turned on.


Pretty much throughout the date I'm laying in on pretty hard with KIno and eye contact. I'll look at a women like she's a piece of steak and I haven't eaten in three days. Then when I'm ready to escalate i'll push up on her grab her ass and say something simple like "I'm taking you home tonight" If she agrees it's on because Ive set the sexual tone all night.

Hey men,

some update from my side.

Since we like both phototours and we had some idea to do something together she asked my on Friday to make a daily city trip. I agree so we move on Saturday. The day was fun, we had an awesome time and the 2 hour bus ride was also fun. On the way to and from the city. Nothing boring at all, just much an awesome time together, I lead, we make photos and she is quite attached to me. The way to I planned some games and the way back was one 2 hour makeout in the public bus. When I asked to come back to my place at round 21:30 she just said bla blubb can’t today. KC and makeout in some backyard alley cuz the tram still needs 10 minutes to come.

On Sunday I got some time so I wanted to make a phototour on a nice viewpoint on the top of the city. I ask if she wants to come along. See says yes and is happy about it. In the beginning she also mentions that she had to study for some exam tomorrow. The whole date was a cool roofblaster. Awesome photos, wine and the best sunset I saw in the last 3 years. So everything was included in what you would call an awesome date with a nice girl. KC makeoout, lots of physical involvement and simply a funny time together.
Shes attracted and on the way back to my place I want to make her more horny so that when we come back to my place the sex will be no more big thing to go for it. However she mentions again that she wants to study a bit afterwards and has to meet with a few friends of her for some german language course. Since I am a german native speaker I offer her to speak german now all the time. She comes back to my place also cuz her phone had run out of battery so she could contact her friends. So I offer to charge her phone and also some tea. She keeps sending a few messages and she says bla blubb need to go soon. I tell her to say you can meet with your friends later on and continue the escalation. She stays for a few more mins and while I keep kissing and touching her. However there was some tension due to the time she needs to go soon. This dialogue was in just round 5 mins whereas the whole date leasted round 3 hours.

Hejsan: Tell your friends your coming a bit later.
HB.: No, realy can’t (softer voice)
Hejsan escalates further
HB.: Not today . . . but we should continue this, I need to go now.
Hejsan: You need 10 mins to go there and you still got 25.
HB.: Ok.
She stays for a few more min and and we make out a little bit.

HB: I realy need to go now.
Hejsan: What your doing on Tuesday evening?
HB.: I am free then.
Hejsan: Lets meet there.
She shows me her boobs, takes my hands and presses them against hers,
HB.: We‘ll continue this.
She goes to the door.
HB: Bla Blubb, I realy have to go now. Are you mad at me?
Hejsan: I think that studying is great and that it is important that you do something for the university. So I think its good that you make that decision. (was auch meine Meinung ist)
HB.: Cya soon!

She runs out of my appartment. Afterwards I get a message that she arrived well and I send her back good luck for the exam. Today she uploaded some pics with my link on Facebook.
I also told her that I won’t be in town for the next weekend. She asked if I didn’t want to stay around. So my plan is to ask her out on Tuesday again to my apartment. Having a few snacks to eat and afterwards we could watch those pictures together. When I will escalate again.

My questions:
- What this some right way to show the persistence from my side? I didn’t wanted to appear needy, so I didn’t asked her to stay or that we should have more sex ad such. Just offered her some tea and escalated softly further.
- Is this just some Brainfucking from my side or simply bad logistics and timing?
- Are more dates before sex generaly bad? Of course if I take the girl out 10 times for dinner without escalating that’s bad. However if you meet with a girl and you have a good time, a nice vibe, some physical involvement and a nice time together . . . could it be something different? I take the lead and show her the way to go and teach some stuff to her. Physical involvement is always there, KC, makeout and she is also building some trust into me. Like with speaking in the german language. During the first Date she was somewhat shy to speak it at all-

Is this the way the game should be played or am I missing something? Thanks for your neutral reflection,
Hejsan

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Guten Tag man!

Good there is a German here, I'm learning German and find the language fascinating. You'll see why I mentioned this later on.

This girls sounds like she might want something more then a good root and she might actually have those horrible things called "feelings" (eww, sorry came out serious relationship back to playing the field and I miss playing ) So I think you need to be more inclined to mentally stimulate her. She sounds more submissive then anything and at her age she's "trying new things"

Ask her if she likes the idea of you sending filthy messages to her, if no that's ok you can talk to her and read off her body language and see how she reacts, But if she does like the idea of you stimulating her mentally it means you are more inclined to get laid.

Remember us men think with our dicks and brains (OHH YEAHHH!!!!)
Women thing with there hearts and emotions (ahhh shit)
women are more influenced by having a sexual thought pressed into them (look up the nlp section) and holding a sexual thought within there mind. With today's technology sexting and creating these images is easier then before. So I differently think you need more head fucking on your end. Head fuck her hard.

Since I been single, I work the minimum of 3 rule. If by the third date she isn't on your cock you have 2 more chances and she better be worth it. After that your either in the "I want a husband phase" (run, mate run!) or your in the "I think we should be friends" phase and we all hate that.

Jertz der Deustch sprecht
Sorry My German typing is shit. This can be a powerful factor if the girl is already learning the language but it can also intimdate her because she doesn't understand parts of it. If you do speak German depending on how well she speaks it make it sexual. What I found when I speak German or Dutch (I speak the languages better then I type them) My old partner used to be intimidated by it as she didn't understand it. So watch out with that factor. If she is comfortable with the lingo tell her all the shit you wanna do to her in German.

Anyway good luck man I'll follow the post and I hope this helped ya
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So it seems like you enjoy blue balls and it's clear your not
Punishing her enough for it. Yes she is young and younger
Girls play games. I wonder if your getting her off
With your fingers prior to you getting off?
She's playing twat games. I say pull off
Stop all touching fore play immediately
Invite her over don't touch her.. Then after
A few hours til her that something came up
And you have to go..and take her to her car
Put out your hand and shake hers and tell
Her to have a good night. Make her wonder
If your bored with her. Don't foreplay when
You are with her.

After you do the above she will be hot for you,
You can put condom on prior to foreplay away from her also
That maybe stoping the momentum..
You should be ready to go- before
Foreplay go to restroom put condom on
And put boxers and sweats over it...
Tell her your puting on something comfortable. When
Foreplay begins. You have it on ready to go.
Rub it on clit- or get her to agree to let
U rub it also works-

I'll ad to this....stop escalating and trying to turn her on by touching her. Grab her hand and put it on your cock. You'll be amazed how turned on this can get a girl. It's like you are giving her permission to be sexual. She's still at the age where she feels she needs to be passive about sex. Like it's something that needs to just happen to her and she can't seek it out. It's your job to help her liberate her inner slut and you do that by putting her had on your cock, chest, stomach, or if you are really hardcore grab her head and put it on your dick. You'll be surprised of how many girls will just leap for it and thank you for it afterwards.

Update:
She texted me if we could meet yesterday evening, I said yes so the date was set. Without any specific plan, just hanging out at my place, from 8pm till 9am. The beginning was bit slow and she needs some time to get warm. Touching and some kissing, nothing big. We make some small snacks together and we land somehow on the bed. She wants some massage from a previous bet I lost. So I give it to her. Good opportunity to take the bra off cuz massaging is horrible with a bra on. When I want to escalate she somewhat blocks again and again but some slow escalation is doing the trick though.
Sex we didn’t had either. When she blocked I tried to escalate harder break her blocking take her hands and bla blubb but she kept defending herself and somehow I didn’t want to rape her, not yet my style.

After some time I asked:
Hejsan: “What is it? Why are you doing this all the time?“
HB: „Bla Blubb” Random excuse.
Some time has also passed again and then I need to motivate her to get out of herself and allow he to express her feelings by going first and explain a bit about my own thinking. After a while:
HB.: „It is nothing big but . . .”
Hejsan: “Its ok, go on. If you feel it its always something important.”
HB.: “I discovered today, that I realy like you . . . you don’t need to say anything” Like she was kinda hurt and is not used to say this. Like I won’t take her and her feelings serious.

Any afterwards we talked about a lot of things and bla blubb. However I noticed that she needed some time to process what I said and when I asked her if I would do some brainfucking to her she just said yes and that I completely confused her. The reason she told me why she didn’t wanted to have sex was that she doesn’t want to get her feelings hurt and so on. She didn’t want just to have sex and be left alone then cuz she has the impression that I am just fucking around.q I told her I did that some years ago and it was fun, like party and getting drunk. However after a while it is getting boring and that sex+love is way better and more fulfilling. I told her to do what her hearts tells her and the answer was: no sex yet . . . Told her that I respect that and I respect that. I also told her that we have a lot of communalities and same interests so I think it could work out. However it is also not about changing the relationship status on Facebook. We talked more on an intimate level. I showed her some pic of previous holiday trips as DHV and comfort.
Did it the exact way by chance over 3 hours. Totally true what you said there! She wants to block me, ok, so some no-kissing-game. I turned the blocking game around. Stop and go. I will do that in the future again. Also I found out that she likes to be touched in the hard way. Hard titty massage and me grapping her hardly. Something I didn’t do on the previous dates and this is what I will do in the future. Also I led her hand to my Dick. Worked awesome! Didn’t do it the hardcore variant though but in the end before sleeping she begged me to say to her that she should suck my dick. Did that and pushed her head down. I gave her some compliments how well she did. In the morning she was also really attached to me, we had breakfast and I escorted her to the tram stop.

For the next dates I thought about NOT escalating that far. I show her that I respect her boundaries so she led that fucking shield down. However she also knows that I will make her wet/explode once I get a finger under her pants. For the future I wouldn’t mind coming together with her. She’s shy, but a nice and adventurous girl. We share common hobby’s and stuff. Since I am out of town this weekend we won’t see each other for a week. She asked me to skip it and spend some time with her. Bla Blubb University goes first.
Since I know about some music type shes listening too as well I thought about sending her some youtube link for some vids over the weekend so she keeps thinking about me and to show that I still think about her.

Your impression and ideas?
Hejsan

Ps.: My first time I managed to get a girl on more Dates by a random approach in a nightclub so I am asking maybe more questions than necessary.

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NOOOOOOOOO! Lot of things wrong here!! But some things are ok.. are you ready?

1.) She wants you as a boyfriend- so you have to make her your girlfriend
2.) You did to much bf things like cook breakfast bring her over blah blah.. which is fine.. but your running a motel 6. Or what I like to call a bed and breakfast.
3.) Your statisfying her with fingering and massaging and kissing.. your needs aren't being met!
4.) you cock block yourself when you said I respect that and do what your heart tells you.
5.) You haven't made her feel comfortable enough that when she hooks up that you will make her your girlfriend.
6.) Shes using the punay to get commitment!!!

What do you Do?

1.) Make her your girlfriend then fuck her- or
Don't make her your girlfriend and freeze out don't escalate past the point of light kissing- or
don't finger her or get her off! You get none she gets none..become distant- she should want to please you.

4.) Overall this is bad news bro because she will or may use sex to get what she wants going forward...
5.) Sometimes you have to act like you don't need it to get it...
6.) Here are some ways to not cock block yourself on possible entry of punay.. or when your ready to hook-

You can say to her" Do you have an std? Because I don't understand why you don't want it..
Or you can ask her were you molesteded as a child? There may be an underlining issue your not addressing.
Ask her if "we were boyfriend and girlfriend would you take care of me?" Because I'm concerned that your not takening care of me now is a precursor to the future.

My ex pulled this on me.. but it was way worse she fuk me 2 weeks into meeting her, and then cut me off for 2 months while I dated her.....she want me to be her boyfriend once I ask her to be my girlfriend she slipped my dong in her... fast forward the girl starting keeping sex away from me and making excuses..I ended up breaking up with her after 6 months of limited sex... Sometimes you give off boyfriend vibe and your only choice is to step up... If you make her your girlfriend she will fuck you- if not you can break up immediately..
That's the fastest solution..but know your in a relationship...lol... Its like what happened to my friend..he was having sex with a girl and half way through she asked him if he loves her? What do you think he Did?
He said yes I love you so much? Why because he inside her and if he says anything else- hes finished..Did he love her...uhm no..

I will say one more thing it is out of the ordinary for a girl to suck you but not f you. Liking things rough and
such makes me point to sexual molestation or assault in the past. please address this in person and be nice about it.. Start out by saying how was your childhood? Ease into it ..don't make it be about sex. I was thinking about making us an item , I wanted to know if there's anything in your childhood or past you would like to share...well it seems you are a bit uncomfortable sometimes with the sexual activities...i feel we can be open with one another because we like each other and have that connection..... then pause and wait for it..