I've studied Pick up on and off for some time now. Being that i was always good with women, It brought my game full circle. Through pick up i was able to see why certain things always seemed to work. It also pointed why even i failed sometimes. Originally my game was taught to me by the females i befriended. I absorb information easily and have a knack for both identifying and learning patterns. Critiquing myself is something i have always done. Even when i experienced success I've tried to find ways to do it better,faster and easier. I'm always trying to improve. needless to say, I have scored with a shit load of females.That being said my success with women has come at a terrible price to me. Most of my sexual encounters were with someones girlfriend, wife to be , wife. Ive always seen the most scandalous sides of females. Even when i began to tell stories my bro's would tell me I have to be making some of this shit up. I honestly sometimes wish i didn't know the things i do. because as a AFC it would be easy to trust women. Thats the problem. I'm not trusting anymore. That is the price of my success. Is this some type of Pua withdrawal? and is this common? I turned to the community to help me figure this shit out cause im it losing over here?

I had the same problem when I first started this whole pick up and dating thing but it is important that you don't lose trust in people. I personally don't sleep with girls who have boyfriends and who are in relationships but I won't judge you for that. Everybody can do what he wants but I would see it like this:

there are men who cheat and there are women who cheat and that's because most relationships are totally unhappy and miserable. When you meet a girl who is totally into you and she is happy with you than the last thing she does is to cheat on you.

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[quote="Mankind82"]I'm not trusting anymore. /quote]

See the good in this... YOU WON'T BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ANYMORE

I'd be curious to know why you're going for these types (people who are attached already). What about pursuing such women is alluring for you, what's the draw?

Generally we do things consciously or unconsciously to fullfill unmet needs, so I'm wondering what that need(s) may be.

Hang around women long enough, it's not difficult to discern which are unhappy in their current situation and exploit it to your advantage. This is not a judgment, it is something you may want to build an aware of, the "why" if you will. This MAY lead you to your answer, or at least get you in the ballpark. Likely there's something out of awareness that's driving you to make these choices, unless of course you live in a place where everybody is in relationships, which I m guessing isn't the case.

Also, with the frame of distrust you've built around women, keep in mind you're likely fishing in the polluted part of the lake so the belief you've formed certainly won't apply to the other fish in other areas

Look, learning a few techniques or skill set that allows you to bed women easily doesn't make you good with women, it makes you good in having brief sexual encounters, often with people who are unhappy with themselves - an attached happy female will not stray out of a relationship if her needs are being met (by her partner, friends, and family) in spite of what most guys on here will say. It just doesn't happen.

If you were to have healthy relations with women, such as having a long term relationship then your frame on them would change over time. You'd be forced to either drop your distrust belief of them, or that distrust will override anything they say or do and ultimately create a poisonous relationship.

That's not an empowering mantra. I'd sooner believe "I HAVE A LOT TO OFFER TO THIS WORLD"

Going around with the belief that you won't be taken advantage of anymore just sets up a defensive frame. Maybe semantics to you, but the how we construe our beliefs will guide our actions.

You guys have all made valid points. thank you for the help and advice. i will examine this more closely over the next few days. I cant help but think that this will only raise more questions for me..