It all started a few years ago. I was 17. I had just received a terrifying rejection from a close friend. She went to console me that night on Facebook to make sure I was okay, but that same night I slept like a really depressed hobo. I was mad, terrified.

The next morning however, I woke up fresh and new. And an eerie smile stapled on my face. It was odd. For the first time in my 17 years, I had actually become an optimist. And not only that, every single ounce of AA or social fears was completely gone. I was so bloody social and hyper, nothing could bring me down. I basically talked to everyone (even strangers) like a tap. It lasted for about 3 weeks before I was back into "depression".

And ever since then, this optimistic state would go on and off. I tried every measure to research on this matter, but I never came down to a final ground conclusion to what drives this powerful thing. But after some years of thinking and experiencing this, I've found that in that optimistic state:

1. I had become extremely confident. (My heart was always only pumping like it had sunglasses on lol)
2. I was more involved with the social environment.
3. I had a "Just go" mentality. As if my conscience was just completely gone.
4. AA was non-existent because of #3.
5. I didn't give a shit.
6. I was in love with myself. (That's when I discovered I was a narcissist).
7. My ego shot through the roof.
8. I was cool, laid back, and I notice a lot of people come to me as if I had some kind of radiance.
9. And honestly, I couldn't stop smiling.

However, one thing was still missing. And that was extroversion. After all that amazing change, I was still, sadly however, an introvert. I was still a listener. And introverts have this thing you see, when they listen, they block off some part of their brain so they can never really think about any story about themselves that relates. (Or is it just me)

I knew the fact that introversion had to be developed since young, from your exposure to the people around you, family, friends etc. And I still couldn't shake off this annoying introversion. Thing is, I want to be the guy that's always talking. I want to be the guy that leads the conversations. I want to be the guy to express all my brilliant memories to something people can relate to.

But my introversion means I can never be that man.

And perhaps the most eerie thing about this, is that introverts have a really hard time learning from Gurus. Because what they teach, is to "Just do", I can do that, but what am I gonna say? Canned routines and openers just stop right there because simply, I do not remember anything about myself to express. I was never raised up a conversationalist.

Okay maybe that's not the worst part. Girls say I'm a 9 (Some actually think I'm a 10). Ever since I was young, girls would chase me and I never understood why. I've had tons and tons of myspace/tagged/facebook dates where everything fails just because I was shy (that was before that optimist incident) and cannot express myself because of introversion. Perhaps it was because I had this resonating charm that attracted these girls (and they were really hot!), but when I open my mouth, they're like oh shit.

So I just wanna know, can I really break off from introversion? I know that most brilliant Gurus were actually introverted before. And I really want to do that.

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There are new ways to semi-achieve that optimistic state.

I first start out my day fresh, draw out two diagrams and do "The Flip" by Phantom (You should definitely check out his stuff). Then I start to do the Ego Phase Shift exercise where I can remove insecurities, limit down mitigated speech, and start feeling like I'm the prize. (The Ego Phase Shift exercise can be done by relaxing yourself, and looking out through the window and imagine a 50 foot golden statue of yourself right out there. The statue is you, dedicated to you. You are the prize.)

You see, I can enter a state of being more secure, calmed, cool, confident, and where AA is at minimal or non-existent. But i still shouldn't express myself because of this introversion.

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

First of all, that wonderful carefree and social state you are describing is a result of your ego defenses getting utterly destroyed from getting rejected.

We are inhibited because of our egos. Our egos tell us to maintain a positive self-image at the cost of reality. Think Eric Cartman.

After you get rejected, your ego gives up trying to maintain a false reality. You might think that your "ego is going through the roof" when you are in this ego-less state but that's probably just because you're confusing the word ego with confidence. Ego is the thing that rationalizes mental masturbation and reinforces inaction. Confidence is the thing that gives you courage to risk your self-image be being proactive.

More importantly, though:
STOP DEMONIZING YOUR INTROVERSION

You've got some very wrong and harmful ideas about your introversion based on assumptions ingrained in you from an early age. Introversion/Extroversion is simply a matter of how you naturally gain and expend energy, and you can play each characteristic to their strengths.
It's true that introverts would rather listen than to talk about themselves a lot, but there is no such block that prevents us from thinking about any way we can relate.

Sure, I also have trouble with storytelling. It was never really my thing in pickup since I'm an introvert. But I didn't need it. I didn't need to tell stories about myself in order to relate and connect with others through their stories.

Storytelling is an extrovert's strength but that doesn't necessarily make it an introvert's weakness.
Introversion is not something you can shake off.

I have personally struggled for years and years trying to learn pickup and trying to FORCE MYSELF to become extroverted. I, too, have tried being that talkative guy who holds court and dominate conversations just like all the popular extroverts. I, too, wanted people to relate to me instead of me relating to them because I thought it would make me more dominant, alpha, and attractive.

It was exhausting as fuck.

I eventually learned (through a lot of toil and struggle) what I'm about to tell you right now:
YOU CAN STILL BE ALPHA, DOMINANT, AND ATTRACTIVE WHILE BEING TRUE TO YOUR INTROVERTED NATURE.
Also,
You can still LEAD conversations with an introverted style!
We have a hard time learning from gurus because they all fucking assume that extroversion is the best and only way to go about doing pickup. It's goddamn infuriating because I see guys like you all the time - Guys who were EXACTLY like me, thinking and BELIEVING that introversion is bad and that we need to force ourselves to be extroverted. It's like a gay kid growing up believing that being gay is wrong and he tries to force himself to be straight. It's fucking messed up, man.

BE WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE IT CAN STILL WORK.
No, introversion will never leave you. It never left me and trying to force myself to be extroverted just ended up being exhausting and frustrating. You can never rewire your innate characteristics to gain energy from social interaction when you naturally gain energy from alone time. That's the truth and the sooner you accept it the sooner you can find a way to use your natural qualities to your advantage.

This is exactly why I created the Seductive Introvert program. It's never been done before but it NEEDED to be created for people like you and me.

I went through all of what you're going through now. I've been doing this pickup thing for a fucking DECADE, and I wasted so many of those years struggling and trying to change myself into a social beast.

Well, I did it. I emulated all of those extroverts eventually and I got some decent success out of it.

It wasn't until I relaxed into who I truly was that I opened the floodgates of A LOT MORE success.

You know how they say "Just be yourself" when it comes to dating and seduction? Well it comes full circle. Since I know the ins and outs of seduction, I can just be my introverted self and do a hell of a lot better than if I pretend and try to be an extrovert.

Oh, and by the way, you can achieve that "optimistic state" you're talking about simply by doing a Blowout Mission.

Check out my Seductive Introvert program when you can. You really need it.

I'm an introvert myself. I have to say it is a damn big plus when I'm gaming introvert girls, and it's not that much of a handicap when my target is an extravert.

Being an introvert, your advantage is being Mr. Mysterious. The guy she can never figure out. Use that, instead of being a stand-up comedian. I suspect, that most of the female attention you had was caused by this(and probably your good looks contributed too).

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Thanks for the input Chief,

I am still unsure of what ego truly means in the PU world. I mean I've seen and heard PUAs talking about big egos and stuff, I just thought a bigger ego meant the less fear I have of what society would see me.

My mistake for demonising my introversion. There are pros and cons to both introversion and extroversion but I've always wanted to be on the spotlight. That's kinda why I study film and musical theatre. I want to be out there communicating with everyone jumping from people to people, everyone knows me, everyone loves me, communicating is easy and there's always lots to talk about. That's basically the life of an extrovert.

Though I do believe you CAN shake off introversion. Like I mentioned most PUGs were or still are introverts. One man in particular is Gambler. And I honestly look up to him a lot haha. I DO have real life examples too. My dad for one, he grew up an introvert. But he changed when he joined drama. He totally became extroverted. Big change for him. And I look up to my father a lot for his successes. Although he believes in a self-learning process so he basically never taught me anything good. I had to find my way out off my own shit.

Also have met up with friends from primary school who were really really shy introverted guys, who've become complete extroverts.

Introversion and extroversion had to be conditioned since from when you were young. That's why partly I had to blame my family, and also my decisions as a child back then. It's kinda not like being born gay and had to force myself to be straight. I'm born bisexual anyway too hey.

And @In$tinct,

That kinda gave me an epiphany. Haha. But most of the girls whom I've attract are extroverts and all they're doing is selling themselves to me, giving me their own DHVs to qualify themselves to me, while I'm laid back and listen (That's what I think though, don't know if thats an IOI or they just need an ear to talk to). Usually though, the hotter chicks are always extroverts. Except for this one introvert, god I swear she was a 10. I missed that opportunity though.

I like the fact that as an introvert, I play Mr. Mysterious. But jesus it's really hard to keep them interested.

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

I think we have a confusion of terms here... Introversion does not equal shyness. Being shy CAN be overcome but being an introvert can not. Being shy is not so useful, but being an introvert has just as many advantages and disadvantages as being an extravert. I highly doubt that most hot girls are extraverts, they are just less shy and have a bigger mouth. That's my experience, at least.

Take this test, to find out more about your personality:

http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

It will most likely not give you a 100% accurate result, but if you know yourself, and answer the questions honestly, it should get the general things correctly, and point out potential weaknesses in your character that you may want to improve. (E.g. I'm an INTP, but I have learned how to handle emotional situations and thus that is no longer a handicap for me)

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I guess I led a wrong statement there. I meant that my friends were both shy and introverted. I used to be that too. But I have overcome shyness and social anxiety that night I stopped giving a fuck.

Phew that test was difficult. A lot of things were very conflicting. Like say, teamwork, social environment, and stuff. Cause sometimes I always take the initiative to be social. But I guess I always pick the most common occurring one.

So I guess I'm a INTJ. I believe I took a similar test years back, most probably before the incident. I was an INFP. I remembered cause Princess Diana was a INFP. Haha. Well I guess there really was a statistical change

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

Yeah it confused the hell out of me when you said "most hot girls are extraverts". That's just completely unrelated.

Well, anyway. Being an introvert has lots of benefits. Like that you don't necessarily need people to feel good. I think building a healthy self-esteem that is not related to external sources(aka inner game) is easier for an introvert. Especially for the INTJ, by the way, because they tend to introspect a lot.

You say you shook off the shyness, that's pretty good because then all you have to do is to wipe out these negative thoughts about your introversion in your head.

Good Luck,

In$tinct.

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That's great. But how exactly do I attract as an introvert? Or rather seduce? For all I know, if I don't DHV by stories, attract is pretty much not there. So that probably means seduce then.

The answer is the Seductive Introvert program - Chief

I walk into a bar, see a girl I want to pick up, go over there instantly with an opener (not a canned one, I usually think of just anyway to get her attention right away). Talks to her confidently in a low voice. Blah blah blah stuff, her eyes are sparkling, she compliments me. Talks a lot about herself. I don't even have a chance to tell her my stories cause I subconsciously don't want to because I'm introverted. Then she asks about myself, I tell her some things, not too much. She giggles a lot. I'm not even trying to be funny. I get her number. I don't call her ever.

I honestly don't know what's going on. Over the past few months of learning pick up, I've picked up so many numbers like 95% of the time I get them when I ask. But it all seems empty. Because I know day 2 is going to be crap since I didn't show much of myself on the first meet.

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

Now let's see this.

1) You don't need DHV stories to create attraction. Most of the time, it only takes about 30 seconds for the girl to decide whether she'd want to sleep with you, or not. DHV stories are pretty redundant. I think if you're getting those numbers 95% of the time while she's complimenting you and laughing then there has to be something that you're doing right... Or... am I missing something?

2) So you get the number, and never call them because you think the day 2 will be crap. I have to ask though. What the hell do you have to lose with actually going for those day 2s, and see for yourself? I highly doubt that each and every opportunity you didn't take would have ended in a crappy day 2. This is a very limiting assumption you make.

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1. And maybe it's the fact that some handsome stranger approached her and opened. I actually get this a lot you know, and I'm only realising this recently. Girls staring, making their backs face me so I could notice. And there were actually ones who would stall for me to approach. (There was one instance when this HB9 was at an SPAM, I was behind her in the queue. When she was done she glanced at me and had that starstruck face. So what I did was to test her. I was at the SPAM for like 3 minutes or more. She had been behind me the whole time, seemed to be digging in her bag for something. I was done with the SPAM, turned around and she immediately stared at my face and stopped digging her bag. Oh that was so funny. I didn't do anything cause I was really late for work that time.)

Jesus what am I doing, I can't read social cues for shit.

2. Huh. Maybe it's because of my past experiences that I shun away every possibility I could to meet her again. Thing is, I've been researching and analysing too much that there is less DO.

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

Unlike introversion, this seems to be a real issue that is holding you back. Put the research and analysis aside, and start having fun. It's a hell lot better when you're having fun.

Being an introvert does not mean that you can not like the company of other people, just that it costs you energy to be around them, and need some alone time to "recharge".

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Yeah I get that so much. Sometimes I love to be around people. Really do. But there are other days when I just wanna shut myself out and stay away from people. Well I suppose I just have to embrace my introversion.

But it's like starting a new book. Cause all the while I've been studying the wrong game. Yeah of course all the PUA material I've gone through has changed the way I see things. I believe I've gone a long way. But, the journey is still here, and I have to keep going. And there is so much to do and learn.

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"Don't try to change who you are. Don't even think you're not good enough right now. You ARE good enough being who you are. Women can smell a fake man the same way you can smell cheesecake."

That's exactly why I made Seductive Introvert, bro. I've been through the exact same thing you're going through.

I went through the same "long way" you went through. I found the short way that you're looking for.

You're singing my song. And you've been doing it throughout this entire thread. And I've been leading you to the exact water you've been looking for. All you have to do is drink and you won't be so thirsty anymore.

PM me if you have any questions.