Hey fellow PUA artists,

I've recently got into PUA and have been meticulously studying it and trying to use it for the past month or two. Obviously it's going to take awhile to perfect. I'm a good looking dude, but I'm on the shorter side ( I really dont give 2 fucks but it's noticable). I'm half jock, half nerd (played wow while winning a state championship for football in hs). I actively play and train for rugby. I've always been extremely confident in myself but have often been bad about exhibiting my confidence outward. Anyways on to the club game.

So sometimes I notice when I'm on the dance floor, having a good time, (solo a few times) I'll have girls sometimes that will sort of migrate towards me and will bump into me usually like their ass pretty much in my crotch. But its very subtle to the point where it's like they didn't mean to but they did. A couple of these instances I've approached from behind and got rejected. What is the best way to approach when this happens? Also how do you open to a group of girls if it's noisy on the dance floor? Do you just dance your way in calm and cool with a higher energy level than theirs?

I feel like you should never approach women from behind as it creeps them out a little bit. A lot of creepy guys just come up from behind and sort of grab their ass and hump them. What I learned was to come at them with an angle...I would usually just kinda bump into them from sideways and give them a cocky grin. They usually smile back and if they think you are cute move towards you.

I don't even try to talk with women on the dance floor...I usually talk with them outside of the floor and bring them to the dance floor to esclatate but then again I am new and only a freshmen in college haha...

Hey man for the approach I would just say approach more from the side,

so it doesn't look to direct. Open more over the shoulder. For A group of girls

open with an interesting opener like:



"Is it cheating if A GF kisses another girl?"

"Who lies more men or women?"


And just keep your energy levels about the same as the groups man.

These methods have worked best for me. I don't see why they wouldn't work

for anyone else.

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Yeah no talk on the dancefloor. People are there to dance, not to talk. If a girl randomly bumps to me on the dancefloor I can't know for sure whether it was by accident or she did it willingly, but I'll always assume the latter. Now as another poster has already said, it's pretty creepy to start grabbing her from behind. You need to create some romance on the dancefloor. What I do in situations like this is I face her, and smile at her holding eye contact. If she smiles back that's an instant yes, so I will grab her hand and start dancing with her and escalating physically. Skills360 here on the forums has a pretty awesome guide on dancefloor game, if you're interested in clubbing you might want to check that out.

If you want to talk to them instead then you basically have two choices. Approach sets in the more quiet venues of the club where you can actually talk, or after you got some chemistry going on on the dancefloor, you can lead her to a more quiet place to talk. But really I hardly ever talk on the dancefloor, only if things get really heated I might whisper a few things into her ears that might catch her interest Other than that it'd come off as weird. Even when you lead her away from the dancefloor, don't talk to her and ask for permission. Just hold her hand and start moving. If you got the chemistry going she will follow you.

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If you've read the game, you might recall Mystery saying "Proximity Alert!" to Style. Your above description of girls migrating over in your direction is exactly that. These girls will awkwardly stand nearby with no real reason to be there in the hope that you will open them. So you need to get that in your head and take it as your first IOI.

To approach, wait for a girl to look at you. If a girl looks me straight in the eyes for more than a second, I take that as a second IOI and approach her immediately. Count 1,2,3 in your head and go for it. If you get eye contact, this is great news - you'll require limited chat / no real opener as you know she's been trying to get your attention anyway. Less of a cold approach basically.

Club game is my favorite. I like to get straight to the point with my intentions and cut the bull with chat. I go in and say "I think you're absolutely gorgeous so I had to come over and say hi". Then I introduce myself and get her name. As in$tinct said, it's very loud and girls are there to dance. So you don't want to be fluffing and trying to strike up a long conversation.

Using my opener is a bit punchy and very forward. It also goes against a lot of pua methods (e.g. waiting for chick to introduce herself to register it as an IOI). But this form of approach works for me.

Once she knows your name and knows that you're interested in her, there is no need for anymore initial chat. You can start dancing and maybe neg her dancing style. If she reciprocates you can very quickly escalate with kino and go in for the kiss. This is why I love club game

If you prefer to chat more to build attraction, isolate her to a quieter spot in the club.

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Trying to use "who lies more, men or women," dude, that is old and weak. The dance floor is NOT for chit chat either, lol.

Haha hey. It may be weak for YOU, but this line has gotten me laid multiple times...

so... yeah I couldn't agree with you on that part there bud. The point of an opener

is to get the convo started....thats it....




It doesn't matter how "weak" or "strong" the opener is...

because after you have opened...its up to YOU the to close the

deal and take it A step further.




And hey if you can't get this done...then your game must just suck..

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It sounds like your looks are getting you laid, an average guy using that crap will get him nowhere. Good day to you.

Hey guys, cannot thank you enough for the input from all the posters. It's been very valuable. After tonight I'd also like to mention briefly something on drunk girls. I love sex and I love women, not in an obsessive or clingy way, it's just fun. But I really do not think it would be right to take a blacked out girl home and have her wake up the next day and not remember any of it. What is your guys opinion of this? My friend was telling me that it's something I have to get over. That just seems like a rape charge waiting to happen, am I right? I mean I would think less of it if I was on an equivalent level of drunkess, but when you're pretty close to sober it seems wrong...

Haha hey man. To answer your question. Morally..I personally believe it IS wrong,

but at the same time...if it happens...I mean what can you do about it?

But for me I like to close girls who are sober.



The retention rate after sex seems to last longer as well.

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Still lame and old... Plus any women who have any knowledge about PU will directly call you out on that

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Haha hey if people are saying that its "lame and old" thats just A reflection on YOUR

game not mines. Lol these lines DO get me places all the time. So if your saying lame

and old thats something you need to discuss with yourself.




Point blank. Your game just sucks if you have to come up with more complex and

new sh*t the point of an opener is just to get the convo started. Lol learnt he basics...

its not about an average guy or whatever or if the guy is pro.




Its only about if you believe in yourself and have the balls to say I am A man. I deserve

to get laid. So yeah...excuse my french. But for those who seriously can't keep themselves

a float and have to grasp for straws trying to come up with new sh*t all the time.



Stop it. Your game sucks.

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First off Club game is not for noobs. This is only something you will understand in time. Girls are there to have fun and just assume they are anywhere to have fun. If you are not bringing the fun they will kick you the heck out.

Now Dancefloor game is one of the worst avenues of Club game. They are better had at the Bar or smoking area (but I move them from their VIP tables normally), but if you can't drink then don't hit on the drunk chicks either since that will be a reason for them to lower your value in front of other targets. With that said I love Club game. But the way I view it is the Dancefloor is a deathtrap (Mystery Method confirms this in his book) as there is no room to talk ie create attraction. On the dancefloor you get some booty, some hip grabbing, and maybe an epic make out but don't hold your breath as it is near impossible to move from the dancefloor. I would rather move an HB9 from her VIP table from her group (so Alpha I never pay attention to guys unless extreme red flags going off) than move them from the Dancefloor. Again you have to bring the fun and taking them away from the fun is automatic douchebag status. But there are anomalies as I danced with a HB9 on the dancefloor and she started following me around which I N-closed, or a girl I followed from the dancefloor who I grinded with gave me a kiss. But never try to talk to them on the dancefloor or look into their eyes. Just go up near them read body language and if she is looking at you throw her a dirty look or say "You want to do this or what?" A challenge is the only way to get them to dance never be approval seeking by saying in a whiny voice "Do you want to dance?" the answer will always be NO.

JackSarge you have no idea how wrong Mystery is about the dancefloor. I seriously can not count the amount of women I pulled from the dancefloor. In fact, I think I pulled more, than from the quiet venues... And no, I can't dance that well. But women can't dance either, so that's okay...

Also, I'd like to ask you to stop confusing newbies with stupid bullshit.

"You can not talk, therefore you can not create attraction" What????

"You shouldn't look them in the eyes" - It is absolutely necessary to look your target in the eyes to create sexual tension. It doesn't matter if she's at the beach, in a bar, or at the god damn dancefloor. Eye contact is mandatory, whenever and wherever. Period.

Also, you start going on how you shouldn't try talking to them on the dancefloor(which is absolutely correct), then you come up with something you should tell her. wtf?

Oh, by the way... agreed on the "Do you want to dance?" part. That's some weak shit...

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Amen